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	<title>Comments on: (Some) Metal Bends Sell Out for Radio</title>
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		<title>By: Josh M</title>
		<link>http://www.handcoding.com/archives/2004/06/08/some-metal-bends-sell-out-for-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-2470</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it's a sad fact of life that Metal is dead in the States.  There's just no room left in radio for anything other than mainstream pop.  It reminds me of a great quote that I can't remember who said:

&lt;i&gt;Freedom of the press only applies of you own one.&lt;/i&gt;

The people have to learn the truth behind radio before anything will change.  Radio &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; play what the people demand.  It's just that nobody's demanding anything.  Radio has managed to con America into demanding what it gives them; it's a vicious cycle.

So - I don't listen to the radio (well, that's not entirely true - I listen to a few specific shows on a local non-commercial station that caters to alternative music later in the evening.  I also listen to AM talk radio).  They're not giving &lt;b&gt;me&lt;/b&gt; what I demand.

But it's not that simple for a stuggling, non-mainstream band.  I know this, second-hand....lot's of second hands.  My brother, my uncles, local bands, etc.  Since the people have been trained to demand what radio plays, you have to give radio what &lt;b&gt;it&lt;/b&gt; demands - or you don't get played.  You don't get access to those traditionally market-receptive ears.  And that's a lot of bucks.

And this doesn't just apply to radio.  It also applies to record labels who have to limit creativity of their major artists or fear being banned from the most lucrative shelf in America:  Wal Mart.  On average, Wal Mart stocks about 400 titles in the CD section.  For a large part of America, Wal Mart is the only place they have to buy CDs (or the only place they'll go).  Not making their cut is a guarantee that you'll lose access to roughly one quarter to one half of the music listeners in America.

And I have to take exception to the typical notion of "selling out".  You can release a crappy single to the radio.  You don't have to play that same crap for your audience in the stands.  Just get 'em in the door.  Hell, it worked for Jimmy Carter.  :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s a sad fact of life that Metal is dead in the States.  There&#8217;s just no room left in radio for anything other than mainstream pop.  It reminds me of a great quote that I can&#8217;t remember who said:</p>
<p><i>Freedom of the press only applies of you own one.</i></p>
<p>The people have to learn the truth behind radio before anything will change.  Radio <b>will</b> play what the people demand.  It&#8217;s just that nobody&#8217;s demanding anything.  Radio has managed to con America into demanding what it gives them; it&#8217;s a vicious cycle.</p>
<p>So - I don&#8217;t listen to the radio (well, that&#8217;s not entirely true - I listen to a few specific shows on a local non-commercial station that caters to alternative music later in the evening.  I also listen to AM talk radio).  They&#8217;re not giving <b>me</b> what I demand.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not that simple for a stuggling, non-mainstream band.  I know this, second-hand&#8230;.lot&#8217;s of second hands.  My brother, my uncles, local bands, etc.  Since the people have been trained to demand what radio plays, you have to give radio what <b>it</b> demands - or you don&#8217;t get played.  You don&#8217;t get access to those traditionally market-receptive ears.  And that&#8217;s a lot of bucks.</p>
<p>And this doesn&#8217;t just apply to radio.  It also applies to record labels who have to limit creativity of their major artists or fear being banned from the most lucrative shelf in America:  Wal Mart.  On average, Wal Mart stocks about 400 titles in the CD section.  For a large part of America, Wal Mart is the only place they have to buy CDs (or the only place they&#8217;ll go).  Not making their cut is a guarantee that you&#8217;ll lose access to roughly one quarter to one half of the music listeners in America.</p>
<p>And I have to take exception to the typical notion of &#8220;selling out&#8221;.  You can release a crappy single to the radio.  You don&#8217;t have to play that same crap for your audience in the stands.  Just get &#8216;em in the door.  Hell, it worked for Jimmy Carter.  :)</p>
<p>#undef rant</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses</title>
		<link>http://www.handcoding.com/archives/2004/06/08/some-metal-bends-sell-out-for-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-2471</link>
		<dc:creator>ulysses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.yesiknow.com/lte/MP3/water.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.yesiknow.com/lte/MP3/water.mp3&lt;/a&gt;

Guess who it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.yesiknow.com/lte/MP3/water.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.yesiknow.com/lte/MP3/water.mp3</a></p>
<p>Guess who it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.handcoding.com/archives/2004/06/08/some-metal-bends-sell-out-for-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some interesting thoughts by David Eggers (of a Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius fame) on selling out:
http://www.armchairnews.com/freelance/eggers.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some interesting thoughts by David Eggers (of a Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius fame) on selling out:<br />
<a href="http://www.armchairnews.com/freelance/eggers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.armchairnews.com/freelance/eggers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh M</title>
		<link>http://www.handcoding.com/archives/2004/06/08/some-metal-bends-sell-out-for-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ulysses:

It's A Dream Theatre spin-off called Liquid Tension Experiment.  I recognize it instantly.  Basically, DT with Tony Levin (played with Peter Gabriel among others) on bass and without LaBrie's pitiful excuse for vocals.

:)

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<p>It&#8217;s A Dream Theatre spin-off called Liquid Tension Experiment.  I recognize it instantly.  Basically, DT with Tony Levin (played with Peter Gabriel among others) on bass and without LaBrie&#8217;s pitiful excuse for vocals.</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulysses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh:

Thanks!  Didn't know Peter Gabriel had a part in it.

As for why, I wanted to see if anyone else had heard of Liquid Tension Experiment.  My bro just introduced me to that song and I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of vocals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh:</p>
<p>Thanks!  Didn&#8217;t know Peter Gabriel had a part in it.</p>
<p>As for why, I wanted to see if anyone else had heard of Liquid Tension Experiment.  My bro just introduced me to that song and I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of vocals.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh M</title>
		<link>http://www.handcoding.com/archives/2004/06/08/some-metal-bends-sell-out-for-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-2475</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel has nothing to do w/ LTE - I guess you misunderstood/I mistyped.  Levin used to play w/ Gabriel (has Bass and stick playing is an incredible element of the album 'Security').

The keyboard player, Jordan Rudess, has since joined Dream Theater (sorry for my mis-spelling on my previous post), making Levin the only real "guest" in LTE.

I have LTE 1 and 2.  2 is great - 1 is good.  Guess I can stop holding my breath for 3.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel has nothing to do w/ LTE - I guess you misunderstood/I mistyped.  Levin used to play w/ Gabriel (has Bass and stick playing is an incredible element of the album &#8216;Security&#8217;).</p>
<p>The keyboard player, Jordan Rudess, has since joined Dream Theater (sorry for my mis-spelling on my previous post), making Levin the only real &#8220;guest&#8221; in LTE.</p>
<p>I have LTE 1 and 2.  2 is great - 1 is good.  Guess I can stop holding my breath for 3.  :(</p>
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		<title>By: Random Visitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bends?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bends?</p>
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