New Metallica Album: St. Anger
Metallica is readying their next studio album, St. Anger, for release on June 10th (their first in five years). I haven’t cared for Metallica much since the Black Album days (though …And Justice For All may be my favorite), but they claim that they may be selling-in this time around:
The release of St. Anger on June 10th will bring fans the old Metallica from the early days before the Black Album. The album is said to have the same thrash metal vibe that gained them underground popularity in the mid ’80s. […]
I remain skeptical about that, but hopeful all the same. I’m sure that their songs will get airplay through their usual bribes to radio stations (as all major record labels do). So, I suppose I’ll at least have a chance to hear a few tracks before buying it.
Weren’t you boycotting Metallica?
You have a good point. I’m still considering whether the statute of limitations on Metallica’s shenanigans may have expired. Nonetheless, the general RIAA boycott would still encompass the album.
However, if the album is good enough to buy, I may purchase it while donating matching funds to the EFF to keep a level playing field (in reality, that would slightly favor the EFF since it’s pure profit for them while the money given to the record labels is only partially profit).
hey guys, if you people liked the old metallica, then you guys are sure in for a treat, go to my bands web site, we are called Procreation, and d-load the song “Emotion”
See ya guys.
rock on
If anyone uses Kazaa you can find some album demos apparently from St. Anger, although they haven’t finalized which tracks they will use yet. The best of them(for me at least) is called valley of misery. There are a few versions available but the full one is 4:43. It sounds more like post black album than pre but still very good, many of the other demos are reminiscent of the old metallica, but words havent been put to them yet and the recording quality is poor.
It’s been a long time that metallica’s album has been released.It’s said that st. anger will be the hardest ass metal album ever released by metallica.Not even the black album is as hard as this one.The release date of this album maybe postponed as their tour begins much earlier than the release of st. anger.
June 10-a red letter day in the history of metallica-in the history of rock ‘n’ in the history of thrash metal.
Hope this album will win all the awards for this year and metallica will get the award for the best rock band of the year 2003.
Valley of misery is not a metallica song, its played by a band called Holochaust, if you dont believe me, check around :P
Holochaust seem to have changed name to DarCane or something… anyways, they made Valley of misery, goddamn, go check some “fake metallica song list”
Well…Well..Well here we sit once again within throughing distance to the eve of Metallica first release of a studio album in 5 years. 15 years ago you couldn’t pull my Metallica T-shirt off my dead corpse if you tried. Well, alot has changed since then and ever album since the Black Album, I have heard the statement “heavier then any album before”, “more powerfull then a locamotive”.
I say, “whatever”. Mamma said, “Metallica’s Laimness sees no end” I will not forget, all the baggage that Metallica has left in there wake to stardom…. I think is started about the time Lars started wearing the white leather jacket.. In most recent, Napster, not working to keep Jason, and working with RAP. It behoves me to say that Metallica’s climb to where they where only equals the downturn to where they are headed too. So people, please do no kid yourself with the rhetoric of the pre-marketing of Metallica’s new Album….. Why did they release album name 4 months before the album? To get people talking about it. and thinking, “the name has alot to do with the album”. They mine as well called it “We are still heavy and don’t suck, buy this album, please”
pickle
I must say that pickle has a good point. I’ve heard the same phrase repeated over and over…’this is the heaviest album yet’…’as good as the album that everyone liked but not as bad as the last three’….’yadda, yadda, yadda’……….
If you need more examples of what pickle is talking about look at Korn’s marketing. They have gone from one of the best metal bands (first album) to bottom of the barrel, yet they will always claim to be coming out with a sissy crying album marketed as ‘teh heaviest yet’.
Let’s face it people metal in the late 80s and early 90s as we know it is dead.
The album kicks ass.
i dunno yet what to think of this release. obviously skeptical after the load/reload bull$hist, but i’ll still hold out hope for the guys, buy the album, and hopefully it’ll be all right. who knows, i mean, this is METALLICA we’re talkin about, they may still have what it takes to pull outta the rut they got themselves into. i say, power to em, keep releasing stuff till the day they die, and rattle as many heads as they still can.
dont worry my friends! metal from the 80′s to the 90′s isnt dead! its what made metal bands today if you can call them metal bands! but dont worry the real metal wil come back and im sure metallica’s new album will be better than what any of us expect! by the way vallery of misery and a time for hate isnt new metallica material!
Mark …
ok, i guess pple just forget what music is about?
is a band just suppose to make the same album over and over again? i see and hear all these pple whining,” metallica sucks, i want the old metallica!!”
if the last 3 studio cd’s would have been exactly like …and justice for all, youd still be crying cause they havnt done anything new!
pple change and music changes. a band wont make it if they make the same albums over and over again. if a band can change their music, with the times, it shows how good they really are. and a MUSIC FAN will appreciate that. and, i say, dont call yourself a metallica fan at all if u dont like what their doing now. golisten to some megadeath or something gay like that.
metallica rocks, they will continue to rock, and their new cd will be awesome. ill buy it the day it comes out.
rock on
the master
I have enjoyed reading all of your comments about Metallica, their upcoming new album, and how they sucked after The Black Album. I am very sorry to inform you that I like “Every” single album, every single song they have ever done. New stuff, awesome, keep it coming. You could let these guys do Happy Birthday and it would sound awesome. A quick comment on Load and Reload BS. BS to that, both albums were awesome and rocked hard, with good lyrics, etc. Every live show I have seen with Metallica has been an amazing experience. Lars’ Jacket, give me a break. Are you listening to rock, or working for Mr. Blackwell? To be even more perfectly honest with you all, Metallica has so much integrity unto themselves and thier work, I am sure they are like me, and could give two sh@ts what any of you think. They are making music and are eating and paying the bills. How are you doing?
right on master of the puppet. i too have thoroughly enjoyed every one of metallica’s albums. from kill em’ all to s&m,they have not only shown that they have the balls to try something different,but undergoing a steady evolution in the process.thats more than some could honestly say about most bands in their genre.i,for one,will welcome their new album with open arms.however,as long as they openly support the RIAA’s dark empire,i doubt i will buy it.no matter….there’s always my good friends in the irc universe to share with! :p
Master of the puppet… I think it’s great that you enjoy every album. Good for you! And YOU DO CARE WHAT WE THINK, because if you didn’t, you would responsed to a message board, Furthermore, why are you on a message board if you don’t want to hear what other people think? (I guess we should all just agree, huh. That sound like a great discussion)
On to my point, I commented on Lar’s as jacket as to give a reference to a point in time, not as a fashion statement. Like I give a $hit to how they look. I was hangin with them when they didn’t shower and wore the same clothes for 5 days, so give me a Fn break! The Load Albums did have some good lics to them, but come on.. what the hell is up with “Mamma Said”. You cannot tell me you think that is heavy……. or maybe you will. Fade to Black made it’s point on the album and carried itself perfectly into the fold of Ride.. like many other lics on other albums.
Now for the real point that you obviously missed out of my entire statement. Metallica is a marketing machine. Yes they “pay the bills and eat very well”. Sometimes, Master of the Puppet, you have to take a bit out of the apple and see what’s a the core, instead of admiring its red beauty. At the core you will find a team of lawyers, whom I spoke with many times, Marketing managers, accountants, human resourses dept and many other business related groups backing, your famous Metallica to make sure the cash cow doesn’t die. Metallica was born for the fans as they have stated. They are a business. EXACTLY, what they were all against back in the 80s. NO, I don’t what them to do Black or Master or Justice over again. Then they would be AC/DC. I guess I was expecting more from them. Meaning, instead of fighting Napster, why didn’t they back up Dee Schiender, for freedom of music?
Then the RAP thing. Areosmith did it. But they went all the way. Metallica did it half a$$ed.
Now to end my rambling…. Metallica is a business. Yes.,their music will go down in history. Before all the BS, and when Metallica was a touring machine and taking the music to the people, I though they were going to be in the ranks of Led Zepp, Jimi, Pink Floyd, but I cann’t put then on that pedestal. Remember the statement about “for the fans”, well Jason was a hardcore fan before he joined, and James bascially kick him out!!! I am not saying you should agree with me, but maybe you should take a bite of the apple?
My heart goes out to the families and friends of the people that attended the Great White Show in Rhode Island
pickle
Perhaps you missed my point. If the music is good, who the hell cares if they have a marketing machine behind it! They should. You cannot work for free and you have to bang the buck when you can. Praise Metallica for being that smart. And now the pedistal thing, they belong on a pedistal all their own. Your pedistal of Jimi, Zepp, and Floyd. . . . . . Jimi is dead, he should of taken care of his health, and then started a Marketing Machine before his demise, then he could of enjoyed his success and made more ground breaking music, or more of the same, we still would of loved it and bought it. Zepp is no longer together, and if they were smart, they would be, or atleast organize a renuinion. The Page Plant tours are ok, but why dont they just call themselves Zepp again, and get in the studio too. They should make a new album if they were smart. Floyd, cant really comment. All I know about Floyd, besides the Money song, is that it is music for habitual pot smokers. I forsee a brilliant future for Metallica. James did not force Jason out, Jason retired from the band do to what it was doing to him, the life style. There use to be a quote on Metallica.com and there probably still is in the archives. Paul McCartney plays bass, maybe if they are the evil sell out Marketing Machine you say, they will do the smart thing and put Paul in the band. Then they could do Metallica and Beatles tunes at concerts. should make for an interesting crowd of concert goers. Would love to hear you all wax philosophical about that one. Maybe if Lars ever quits for personal reasons, they could get Ringo Starr. Just a thought.
THIS JUST IN……….METALLICA VS. NAPSTER CONTINUES………………………Ladies and Ladies, this just in from our desk in San Francisco, heavy metal super group Metallica, headed up by James “Jimmy” Hetfield and Lars “I could of been a Tennis Pro” Ulrich have officialled made an announcement regarding thier future schedule. Metallica reportedly has decided to postpone any plans to tour or release new material. This will free up there time to fight against Napster. When asked what they would do for Money if they were not working they alluded to the fact that even though they (the group) would be focusing thier time on Napster, rest assured their huge marketing team and laywers would contine to milk the cash cow. We will follow this story as more Develops.
well
Metallica; St. Anger, June 10, 2003. MOST ANTICIPATED ALBUM SINCE BEATLES ABBEY ROAD. According to Billboard Magazine, Metallica’s St. Anger Album is the most anticipated release since the Beatles Release Abbey Road more than thirty years ago. Billboard predicts that the album, Metallica’s first studio effort in over five years, to go Platnium in the first three days of release. Several Radio Stations accross the US and Canada have announced attentions to coordinate a format change with the release. Bob Hudson of 99.5 G-Rock, Atlantic City, NJ says that they will launch there “All Metallica – All Day” format on June 3, just one week before the release. It is anticipated that atleast one station per major market will follow this bold move. Also is a Metallica channel in our future. While the band has no official position regarding this rumor, our sources say that the fledgling network allready has Studio Facilities and a Program Schedule. As more information becomes avaliable, I will report back. John Smith – NYC.
you know….the Metallibeatles might just work….
j.k. ;]
Metallica and the Beatles… I like it!
Could they still call themselves heavy?
Oh, why not, is all marketing anyway. I would love to see James sing “the thing that should not be” in a pink tu-tu
pickle
Metallica can never die ladies and gentelments.
they are the best band there ever was. the 80`s shall never die.Rock on man and god speed.
All these metallica(or any band) haters are lame, lame, lame..why would you waste any of your time bad mouthing a band unless you’re life is that pathetic. Shut your hole and listen!
I hope they come back with something aggressive, angy, and hopefully some fast stuff as well. Maybe they realize that it wouldn’t be a smart move to do another album full of mid-tempo songs( they’ve been doing it for over ten years now ). As for people saying that they should “evolve”, I wouldn’t call the stuff on load or re-load evolving. There’s good songs on them but they really regressed in my opinion because the style of music on those albums had already been done years before.
“angry” that is ha
I listened to some demos from kazaa, sounds too much like death metal, bring on the thrash! Kill’em all!
I agree with Richard Legge. Bring on the old Metallica. Who gives an arse whether they evolve or not, just keep playing thrash and I’ll be happy. All you people who talk about ‘evolving’ and stuff, you’re just a bunch of poofs.
peace and out dudes,
I’m moderatly excited for this album although an article off of mtv.com said that there are ZERO guitar solos on the album which is kind of disheartening… what does kirk do???
I’m pretty sure there are no actual St. Anger songs on KazaA at the moment…there are many fake songs out there however. Correct me if I’m wrong….
Metallica is my life. She actualy keep me alive. It gives me strenght, power and it fills me with amazing energy. If new album would be under my expectations and under expectations of all other metallica’s true fans, I think they’re gonna kill theirselves such as I will. Just a bad comment. Oh, and just to say this… If this album sucks, Metallica will live on anyway. Metallica will never die, not with their past albums.
So far, from what I’ve heard, about 7 songs off the new St Anger, IT SUCKS. Still, I’ll give it its overall proper review once all the studio work has been completed. Lars needs to quit bitching about Napster (as if that little fucker never copied a tape in his life) and concentrate on making music. Though I myself love the shit out of reload, it’s an album that has almost song jamming, not just 4 or 5 out of 8 or 9. Old Metallica kicks ass, no doubt there. But bands change and music changes, but at least with the load and reload, Meteallica still jammed and fucked up bands like KORn and Distubed and stained to name a few are not even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as Metallica.
Anyway back to St Anger, From what I’ve heard so far, IT SUCKS.
I don’t know what music fans expect. I’m a musician, and I don’t see anything wrong with the path tallica has taken. Their new stuff is more theoretic and complex, a good musician will realize that. As far as image and everything, these are 40 year old men with families. It would be hard for me to look up to them if they still looked and acted like naive teenagers. Bands like Pantera for one, are awesome, but they don’t experiment too much with their sound. I don’t know I just like Metallica still. As far as napster goes, I’m pretty sure they just want musicians to have the choice of putting their music out for free or not, not just ending free music trading. Anyway, I’ve never seen a bad show, they are cool as hell to their fans, and I think they have great attitudes. Metallica rocks.
I don’t care if it’s Hetfield farting into the microphone, and Lars playing drums with one hand. ST. Anger is going to be better than anything going on in metal today.
any demos of St. Anger you have heard on Kazaa as of now april 20th 2003 and before that are FALSE. they are songs from other wanna-be sound a-like bands like Holucast and so forth. they are NOT metallica.
Also all you babies need to quit crying about Napster – for crying out loud that was like 3 years ago! get over it.
St. Anger is going to be heavy raw intricate fast and a total ear spank….this is what i have heard and – from what i can tell – it is true…whether it’s AS heavy as MOP or Black album remains to be seen… but it’s supposed to be pretty sick. no ballads – 75 min of basically getting punched in the face – thats what its like
hey guys well i thought this might be of interest to some of you that still are curious what st. anger is going to sound like…. i havent managed to actually get a copy of the demo/promo recordings as yet but if any of you are familiar with mirc perhaps you could help the rest of us track it down…
this is the best i got so far… from this link
http://www.xdccspy.com/search.php?searchstring=st+anger&cserver=
bot queue total dl record current dl # size last seen description
spunkmunkey 0 1 63.33h 1 «36.9mb» metallica – st anger (demo promo) 2003 14 tracks – lid – (1 gets)
the user hasnt come online in a while though..
i think it may be the real deal since mirc is hardly ever used for bull shit like renaming songs that are not even metallica…
if metallica ever read this (lol yeah right) my reason for pursuing this idea is that june 10 is fucking ages away and i want a taste of what to expect when i buy the album (which i will buy, im not just saying it to cover my own ass)
i would appreciate what the rest of you have to say about this…
until then.. HIT THE LIGHTS!
I agree with R. Mendez. I am 33 years old and have been a die hard Metallica fan since 1984. I am also a musician and I can say that the Load/Reload Albums are incredibly complex, visceral, thought provoking albums which shows that Metallica is so much more than a “speed metal band.” The people who say that they wish Metallica would go back to the pre-Black Album sound expect Metallica at age 40 to be making the same songs as when they were 22?? My favorite Metallica song of all time is Bleeding Me (check out the guitar solo in that..WOW!).. If they do go back to the heavy stuff, I will love it. If they stay doing the heavy/blues thing I will love it. Sh*t, they can sing the Yellow Pages and it will be more complex and amazing than all of the so called metal out there now. Metallica is the greatest American rock band of all time and they deserve all of the praise they receive. We should all consider ourselves lucky that we are able to see this great band live like people born in the mid 60′s were able to see Led Zeppelin, for I feel Metallica is the Led Zeppelin of our time!!
AMEN!!
i agree ,,,
metallica never sold out. I realise now that its only young fans that dont understand metallica’s philosophy are the ones that have been giving metallica shit. FOR CRAPS SAKE! if you want a band that never changes why don’t u try an ac dc record!
I hope this new album shows all those kids how awsome metallica is once again. Noone can match their heavyness and intensity…. i dont even think they have peers now.
HIT THE LIGHTS!
put the best metal music in the next album
where are people hearing the metallica demos!!!
well well.. where to start?
for the record, I am an “old” fan. i bought ride the lightning in 83 and loved it instantly. i loved master of puppets even more.. yada yada..
it was all good until LOAD…
ok..let’s cut the crap.. instead of writing a fucking novel about why they sold out (which i tought i’d be doing,but it’s late,i’m tired and frankly they don’t deserve the effort) so I’ll just say this:
Metallica forgot who put them on the fucking map in the first place.they thought they could go all melonewmetalwhatever on us and we wouldn’t notice. YES a band can “change”,”evolve” or whatever. but they can NEVER forget where they came from and who helped them get to the top. and that’s what they did. I tried very hard to listen to load/reload.. I just couldn’t do it.
Think about this:why woud they try so hard to tell us that they went back to their roots if they haven’t left those fucking roots in the first place?
Beside, Hetfield is one top asshole on the planet this side of david duckovny.. I used to love the “products” these guys were.. err.. producing but their personna sucked to no end.. they couldn’t care less about their fans…
and don’t get me started on napster boy…
they think they’re above it.. they made it and they don’t give a flying fuck about us anymore.
I hear some of you already: “It’s all about the music,who cares if they are dicks?!”
but i beg to differ.. this music is about attitude. maybe more than anything else. and man.. i just hate their fucking attitude…
guess i wrote a fucking novel anyways…
peace out..
may lars hunt you down and wax every hair from your body…
dudes. get it straight. metallica fuckin’ rocks. How did they sell out? tryin’ somethin’ new. WOW. Sueing a company? oh my god they’re selling out thats horse shit. There’s no new ‘tallica shit on kazaa they’re all other bands with metallica stuck on. Metallica are the best Metal band ever. No one can touch what the fuck they have done. Over come deaths and injuries. Face ass holes that turned on them coz they tried somthing new and they’re still churnin’ out the good shit. ‘Tallica Forever.
Metallica never did sell out, just because load and reload were “slightly” radio friendly doesnt mean they were selling out. I mean fine, kirks lead guitar work in the words for the amazing (and now dead) singer from Death “is far from dangerous, he plays safely on load and reload, he shames metal” (some guitarworld interview).
ok i can see some truth in that, after all the guitars and song structures are far from the roots of rtl and mop that put tallica on the map.
But, who say’s that load and reload didnt define a new genre of metal?
Sure its slower, but emotionally i think its at the same level as the older shit. Beg to differ? consider Fixxxer (last track off reload) if this isn’t james hetfield dancing with his demons i don’t if he EVER has. That song is damn heavy, its not as raw as earlier albums either which makes it easier to listen too, and it raises the hairs on the back of my neck every time. I hardly see a parrallel to pop (sell out) bands and metallica.
who was saying they sold out again?…..
First of all, Neopath has some great connections to buy “Ride” in ’83, a full year before it came out, but I suppose i’m just being a picky Metallica fan. I’m still shocked to this day how many supposed “old school fans” still have so much venom over what they perceive as the band “selling out” or “forgetting where they came from”. I, as any Beatle fan would agree, wouldn’t ever want to hear any band keep repeating their first few albums over and over. Who would want that and give up Abbey Road or Sgt Peppers, or dare I say Reload? Bands that have staying power have, along with a great fanbase and relationship with said fans, the ability to move on and change not just with the times but to guide the times. I know damn well i’m not going to change any minds and frankly I don’t care> I’m anxious to hear the new tracks and i’m sure i’ll be happy with the outcome no matter how many close-minded bitter people will be wasting their time on boards across the net slamming it.
I too bought “Ride the Lightning” first, then “Kill” then “Master” etc.. and i’ll buy whatever comes next after “St Anger”. I’ll but it because the music still kicks the shit out of any rap-metal out there and the band still does what it wants, when it wants, and I respect that.
You know, I’ve only been a Metalica for about the last five years but I’ve enjoyed ever fucking thing they have put out. Maybe I’m a bit blind in that respect, but I respect any artist willing to risk his or her livelyhood to put something out that would more or less shock people. I don’t believe they put out records like Load and Reload to shock people, but it was more where each of their heads were at the time. And who made the rule in Metal that a heavy song has to contain a thick guitar riff? Why can’t the idea be just as heavy of a part of a song? Take Mama Said for instance. Yeah, when I first heard it I was like “What the hell is this? Metallica playing country?” A good portion of the old school fans must have just said that this band was done. Look at the lyrics in the song and they do just what I was suggesting. They reveal a more “heavy” or ” deep” topic. Don’t dismiss a band for trying new things, it’s what keeps the music fresh. Nonetheless, I can’t wait to get my ass kicked by Saint Anger, and I look forward to seeing the boys live!
That is true… Most of the Metallica stuff you hear is just other bands. However, I was able to find one thing on WinMX and the name of the download is called “St.Anger Mix”. Its pretty shitty quality, but it does give you about 10 seconds of 4 or 5 different songs including DK Roll. Another riff I heard on Metallica’s website so I know it’s legit.
I have been a hardcore fan since Justice. I am getting tired of hearing everyone saying that MetallicA have sold out. Who cares if they did? I respect each member of that band. I have a good feeling that they do what they want to do and don’t worry about what the current musical taste is. I think people just like to bitch about them, just cause that is the way some people are. All I know is that they kick my ass everytime I put in one of their albums.
As far as Load and Reload, they were good albums. There are some kick ass songs on there (ie… Bleeding me, Outlaw Torn, Carpe Diem…). I still think Master of Puppets is the best album ever created. The style may be different, but it is them doing what they do best. ACDC is the same band since they started, every album sounds the same. I think St. Anger is going to kick everyones ass. I keep reading review after review about how heavy and different it is. I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No matter what anyone says, they will always be my favorite band. I respect Hetfield so much, he is the king of the riff. No one does it better. Nuff said……
‘Tallica this ‘Tallica that.
First off, the Black album totally blew. Pure pop, market fed crap.
Load wasn’t heavy, nor hard, but it was good music that my Grandmother enjoyed (no kidding she (76 years old) loved it)
James ‘n the gang are old and washed up, they should just collect their left over checks and chill out.
I became a fan when I first saw them perform No Life to Leather, ‘member that’s when Dave was in the band, bought Kill ‘em all, passed Ride the Lightning (too soft), cherrished Master, enjoyed Justice, and laughed at Metallica/Metallica.
When they lost Cliff, they lost everything. Sure they can play, and James can sing, but not one can compose. Face it the legacy is dead, has been dead.
O.K. I wasnt going to waste my time making a point but I will anyway. To all of you who have used the phrase “SELL OUT” ask yourself this, say Metallica asked every fan of theirs what kind of music they should produce and they did exactly what all you told them to do, that my friend would be selling out. They love their fans and they have proved it for twenty years with the awsome music and hardcore touring. Yeah there has been some songs you could definitly pass on, but hey that is just the music world. Read the lyrics to Nothing Else Matters that says it all. And one last comment to those who bagged the song Mamma Said, there is no doubt that this song came from left field, but listen to the heart & soul behind it. Yeah I love the thrash but Metallica always has a story to tell through each and every song they make. Aparently you selfish loosers thought the story was all about you!
J.R.
I’m just an old metal guy (42) with a 6 year old son who likes Tool (like his daddy) and I’m looking forward to St. Anger. That’s “looking forward” – not “staking my life on it” or “seething with anger over haircuts/Napster/’selling out’”. I just want to hear what one of my favorite bands will come out with.
Like everyone else out there, I like the old stuff, and bought the crappy bootleg cassettes of “Master” from the Palestenian guys at the flea market in the ’80s (at the State Fair grounds in Albuquerque, y’all), but I also still play “Bleeding Me” about four times in a row until the wife shut me down late at night after several too many (note to self: buy headphones), or “Wasting My Hate” while blasting down the road, or “Bad Seed” to hear a bad ass riff. Hell, I even like “Fuel” despite the embarassing lyrics because of the beauty Kirk brings to the tune with his floating lines about half way in. I wish I knew more music theory so I knew what the hell it’s called that he’s doing there. I wore out two copies of “Garage, Inc.” (I’m also on my second copy of “Lateralus” for that matter. My good CDs live very hard lives.)
At one time I thought half in jest that the band had actually sold its soul to That Guy to achieve its massive level of commerical success, but we must remember that musicians write and play to be heard (unless you’re Erik Satie[search him out and give it a listen] and don’t give a rat’s ass). Regardless of marketing, Evil Influences, or whatever, the band has still managed to tap into something that provokes a response in its fans (release of fear, anger, hate), and its detractors as well (inciting fear, anger, hate). Basically, if you’ve heard about them, you cannot be neutral about them.
As for “Load/Re-load/S&M” there was a time when people valued artistic growth. An artist has to grow – it’s that simple. That period represented a fork in the road for a lot of us, but a few others also started to walk the path. Still, some of the stuff they did then was just plain bad: “Unforgiven II”? Unforgivable. It is a thin line between being clever and being stupid; remember, however, that the same band that did “She Said” and “Tomorrow Never Knows” also did “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer.”
So let’s see what they come up with this time. I’ll give them that chance.
Ah yes. A LATERALUS reference. Arguably the best album to come out in the last 5 years. Absolutely amazing and so are Tool.
tool ugh, when i saw them last year, maynard just stood at the back of the stage, while some amazingly boring acrobats from the lateralus video clip did some stunts,…now that my friends was a pure waste of 105 dollars. Metallica in 1997 50 bux for an amazing hellride rollar coaster…well thats just my opinion. Tool are boring live geez gimmie something i can bob my head too. The real pisser was that they didnt play sober…possibly the only song i can still listen to now without falling asleep. This is coming from a person that before seeing tool live was considering a tool tatoo……
adios
Been a fan since ’91 and the main thing about the Metallica is INTEGRITY..thery have tons of it. Case in point: The shows that were made up on the last summer sanitrium tour for FREE cost the band somewhere in the realm of a million dollars according to the fan club magazine. Also they play what they want, not what the naysayers want and I respect that. A free dVD with the album? hell yeah!! Love ‘em or hate ‘em, they have integrity.
I cant speak for Tool live, but Lateralus is one helluva a roller coaster ride
Yeah, I don’t see why 40 yr. olds can’t write aggressive music. What the hell does age have to do with it. Leo Ornstein was writing crazy ass piano music when he was almost 100. Plus, Load went more “back in time” than St. Anger could ever go just for the fact that the stuff on Load had been done by Aerosmith (2×4) Saxon (Outlaw Torn) and many others. I’m talking about general style of course but it had been done nonetheless.
Frantic (5:46)
St. Anger (7:19)
Some Kind of Monster (8:24)
Dirty Window (5:23)
Invisible Kid (8:28)
My World (6:30)
Shoot Me Again (7:09)
Sweet Amber (5:24)
Unnamed Feeling (7:07)
Purify (5:13)
All Within My Hands (8:44)
These are the songs on the new album just to clear things up for people
is the album title “st. anger” pronounced Street Anger or Saint Anger??? it makes no sense! abbreviating an album title! especially such a confusing dual-meaning abbreviation. and hey to anyone with an ear for philosophies: why is abbreviation such a long word??? can someone tell me whether its saint or street anyway
It’s Saint Anger, if st. stood for street it would be after anger. I don’t care if the album sucks, cause it’ll give me somethin to listen to for 75 minutes anyways. Honestly, I think new metallica is just as good as pre-black album metallica. I don’t know about Rob Trujillo though…
Um… I keep hearing about these comments of people who say: “…better then all the shitty metal out there today”. Look up centurymedia.com, don’t get pissy and reply in 2 seconds, even if you know about the place, just check it out. They have CONTEMPORARY metal bands that are simply more complex and metallic than Metallica. I love Metallica, they are my favorite band, because of their sound, songs, and style, but in terms of technicallity, skill, and opinion, you might find there are other bands out there that are at their peak making great metal. i.e. Iced Earth, Nevermore, Dream Theatre, Jacob’s Dream, check it out.
Sorry for bad English it’s my second laguage. :)
Hey guys and so called FANS, what do you think, if you are a FAN of Metallica or any other band you can tell them how and waht kind of music to play? Listen to youselves: ‘They are not heavy as they were.’. The phrases like this you can find everywhere on the web. But who is playing, you guys or a band? Don’t blame anybody. If you don’t like the new Metallica – hang on the old albums or just throu all the CD’s you have away. Don’t be like a child who’s crying without a favoutite toy ’cause it is damaged.
If you interested I’m also old fan of Metallica and I’m from Russia. And you never belive if I say that these guys were like Bible for me and many of friends of mine. But thigs do change and the life goes. All you have to deal with is you place in this new music.
ok, if that’s the tracklisting, Sweet amber sounds definitely heavier than any of their recent work. The vocal style sounds like Hetfield but it’s different, don’t know, doesn’t sound as appealing. It makes sense that Metallica would make a heavier album now because metal was not in a funk it used to be five years ago.
As for evolving, I think a band should evolve..it’s all a question of quality. Reload was a piece of garbage, sounded like an array of leftovers from Load. Is that evolution? hopefully St Anger will be a better album.
Robert Trujillo may have instilled a certain heaviness
hmm, now that I listened to it again, I doubt that was Metallica
rob is a bonafide bass player, u can hear him on jerry cantrells latest album degradation trip. tho he didnt play a single note on the new album
I’m a disenfranchised fan of 80′s Metallica (Justice was the last album they released that I liked) … I like the complex, long-winded, uncompromising, THRASH METAL Metallica from the early days. Load and Reload weren’t complicated, and it wasn’t thrash. I’m not putting Metallica down as musicians, I just think their newer music has lacked the heaviness and complexity that Metallica used to embody. They also gave up their attitude during the nineties. They compromised a lot of the intense, rebellious, anti-establishment attitude they used to have.
Anyway, on a positive note, I am extremely intrigued by the lengths of some of these songs. I hear this album is going to sound a lot like old Metallica – complex, heavy and long-winded. Just like I like it. I hope it’s true. I’d love to actually like a Metallica album again.
Everyone on this little chat board has a right to their own opinions. Even if you think they suck. I know that I am going to get a little windy with this, but bear with me.
I personally think that anyone who is holding on to the fact that Metallica has “sold out” is a whiny assed baby with nothing better to do. Face it, the black album was the last one that was actually great. Justice was that last one that was actually heavy. And load/reload could have been condenced into one album.
What really gets me is how everyone is saying “oh my God, Metallica has become pussies.” Or “Man, Metallica is so complex with their music and lyrics and philosophies. Fuck that. Metallica is a thrash metal band from the ’80′s that are still trying to keep themselves afloat. Do I respect them? Believe it or not, I do. They have stayed true to themselves. Whether you want to call it selling out or not, they have. I don’t think that they changed with the times. I think they just got old, and wanted to try something different.
Now, as far as the complexity of their music, I will be the first to admit that they are a very talented group of people. But if you want real complexity, check out Dream Theater. If you want good lyrics and messages, check out the Insane Clown Posse.
Dudes, I have just talked about two of the most oppisite bands known to man, but the fact is, is that I am a die-hard fan of both. What I am trying to say is that it doesn’t fucking matter if someone sold out or anything like that. If you enjoy the music, listen to it! If you don’t then trash the fucking thing. The bottom line is that people are hung up on whether metallica sucks or not. Are you trying to influence other people, or convince yourselves. Get over it!!!!
whaaaaazup
is there chance that metalica plays a lot of song of the new album on werchter ?
greetings !
Joshua,
Some of us actually believe that Metallica used to embody certain ideals and philosophies. They’re not “just a thrash metal band from the 80′s”. If that’s all you think, then you’re either choosing to blind yourself to this, or you weren’t a fan of theirs back when they actually championed these philosophies and ideals. If you were a real fan of Metallica back in the 80′s, you’d know that they have compromised every musical and philosophical ideal they ever had as a band.
This does not make them bad. This does not make them unviable. It’s just a plain fact.
I think Metallica is still a good band, and there’s a lot of good musicianship on Load and Re-Load, but that doesn’t make these albums good Metallica albums. The Black album was not great by any means. It was actually pretty bad by Metallica’s standards. Compare it to Justice and Puppets and Lightning. Even Kill ‘Em All has a lot more integrity than the last 3 studio albums they’ve come out with.
Don’t put me down for having my opinions, man. They’re very viable opinions, and they’re based on FACTS, not presumptions.
It really irritates me when people jump down my throat just for expressing my own personal opinion. It sounds like YOU need to get over something.
Oh, one other thing –
Metallica used to be more complex and have great lyrics. The lyrics and music on Load and ReLoad does not compare at all to the musical-complexity and great lyric-writing on Puppets or Justice.
Metallica can change all they want, I don’t fault them for that. It’s just that the change has been in a decidedly LESS CREATIVE, MORE COMMERCIAL direction. So the quality of their newer music in this context and in relation to the quality of their previous music, has DECLINED IMMENSELY. If you can’t admit that, then you are lying to yourself.
But it’s okay to like new Metallica. Good for you. It’s good music. I never said it was bad music, stand-alone. It’s very good. But it’s not NEARLY good enough for Metallica. I have higher expectations than that. If those songs were written by any other band, I’d like them more, but Metallica is special. They’re too good to lower themselves to that level.
In my opinion anything after the Black album was not even close to as good as the earlier albums, its not even the same ballpark. I dont know anything about this new album but from the recent past albums im NOT going to run out and get it.
If they revert back to their ROOTS of just completely kick-ass music like days-of-yore, then I will be interested again. I just feel very strongly opposed to new metallica maybe it because I grew up listening to Master and RIDE THE LIGHTNING….Those albums are the best HANDS DOWN!
but then again things change…some for the better some for WORSE.
But alas..this is “my” opinion.
right “tweck”?
So if you think Metallica sold out then you’re a whiny-assed baby? That makes no sense. I think Metallica sold out, but I think you’re just as much of a whiny-assed baby for telling people that if they think Metallica sold out then they’re whiny-assed babies. And you shouldn’t be in denial about the fact that Metallica sold out. They sold out. It’s that simple. It’s a fact, not an opinion.
Morons.
O.k. its like this….who really cares if Metallica sold out or not…i mean really??? There are way too many rap artists, pop artists, and wanna be rock aritsts who are putting out the most unlistenable garbage i have ever heard. Ever listen to 50 cent?? puhlease. Come on people….rock is rock…bottom line….there is hope that this album will be “like the old days” maybe..maybe not…..but i can arguably say it will at least be listenable. Or else theres always the old stanby “the backstreet boys!”
Vascular2 was the only person out there who i think really got what i was trying to say. I knew that i would piss people off by what i wrote and quite frankly, i don’t care. So what if Metallica sold out. That was the point i was trying to make. I think that people are just getting to hung up on Metallica and whether or not they are capable of producing the same thing they did back in the 80s.
And this part goes out to matt. I understand how complex and deep metallica has been over the course of their career. Master and Justice are two of my all time favorite albums. Eye o\t beholder is a powerful tune as well as Puppets. All I am saying is that I personally think that Metallica has run there course in the origanllity department. Is that bad or good? It doesn’t relly matter. Hell, look at aerosmith and the rolling stones. They have been basically releasing the same song over and over for the last ten years. And don’t get me wrong, i don’t compare Metallica to the likes of the stones or aerosmith. I understand completely that they are all in leauges of their own. And i am not claiming that Metallica is releasing the same songs over and over. What i am saying is that they don’t have the same power and charge that they once had. Hundreds of bands have faded off over the years. Some of them were once world wide, rude rockers. Motley Crue, Tesla, Pearl Jam, Skid Row, Kiss, Savatage ect…
The one thing that i loved about old Metallica was that they would you great orchastration with awesome thrashing. But they lost that somehow. They lost that edge. I don’t think it’s so much of a band selling out. Do I think Metallica did? After the whole Napster incident, yes I do. When they first released load, i enjoyed the album. Even though i did’t feel that it was up to the standards of the old metallica, it was still a good album. But they lost the edge the had. Then when lars and james came out and showed what true money grubbing assholes they were by sueing napster, i lost most of the respect i had for them as people, not as musicians. I mean they were selling out every concert they played and making millions on merchendise alone. And hell, they have always had a strong enough fan base that the TRUE fans would spend the money on the cd’s instead of downloading them. If there is a band that i am not that hardcore into, then i will download most of their music. But for the bands that i am hardcore for, i will buy the album and support the band however i can.
And to all of those who just can’t get over these facts, yes, they are whinny assed babies.
I think you are all whiny assed babies, including my husband, Joshua. I can respect a lot, and I mean A LOT of different bands and music. But I’m not going to down anyone for thier opinions. Some people like some music, and some people don’t. Some people like some bands, and some people don’t, it’s just that simple. And although it’s fun to post these messages and get a response out of people. Whether Metallica sold out or not and all of that blah blah bullshit, is not the highlight of everyone’s existence. Yes, I like Metallica. Some songs I love, and some I can’t stand. The whole napster thing, although I don’t agree with it, is their own perogative. They have the right to do that. They own the music. So, you like it or you don’t. End of story.
I’m gonna get her for that.
Ok…Metallica rules end of story. Many people hate what they have become and what they stand for with all the napster bs…and I say have any of you cut a major record…wow looks like no hands are coming up…so shut the f#@k up! There are hardships that none of us can even imagine and whether I am a millionaire or not I would like to know that my album is being paid for everytime a person hears it to ensure that none of the studio time was spent in vain. You can love music and do it for the fans and pay the damn bills at the same time. By the way…if any of you saw the Icons presentation tonight on MTV you would have seen Metallica playing a new, awesome, track from St. Anger and that was some of the best thrash shit I have heard since …And Justice for All!
Metallica finally gets the respect they deserve. MTV Icon was awsome. Its kinda funny for a band who has been acused of selling out, putting out shity albums, and I remember some looser saying they have have lost their “EDGE” were all prooven wrong last night. You free-loaders need to let the whole Napster thing go. They had every right to sue and do what they did. FACT- if we the selfish fans are allowed to download every song or album we want what will happen to the music industry as we know it? If you didnt get a paycheck would you go to work? Sure they are millionares, but who gives you the right to judge when somebody has made enough money and just produce their music for free? Any way the Napster thing is dead and gone. Its just the little white trash loosers sitting in their mobile homes bitching cause they cant afford to go buy a dam cd. Those of you who are not Metallica fans anymore I have to say thank you, because now you have made more room at their concerts for more of the REAL FANS.
Note* this message has been brought to you from a real fan, not some looser stuck in the 80′s.
I’m retracting every negative thing that i have said about metallica. but i believe that their so called “true fan base” has got to be one of the most retarded, uptight group of people that i have ever seen. All of you are so close minded to other musical styles that i don’t think any of you will be happy until metallica is the only band on earth. I give up. You all suck and i don’t care if metallica puts out another album or not. Fuck off!
Why are we even debating this topic? I thought it was common knowledge that Metallica is the greatest heavy metal band since Black Sabbath and unquestionably the greatest American rock band!
And that Napster thing! Is this still an issue in some of your little brains? Why doesnt anybody get all over Type O Negative or the thousands of other bands that put their names on that lawsuit who decided to remain anonymous? Metallica were the only ones with enough balls to raise the middle finger and say FUCK YOU! YOU CANT DO THAT WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION!!
To the Metallica fans who think they “sold out” (how old is that term getting?), do me and all other true Metallica fans a favor: dont buy their albums, dont go to their shows, turn the radio station when any Metallica song comes on that wasnt on Justice, Ride or Puppets and start listening to “cool” bands who didnt have a problem with Napster like Radiohead or Pearl Jam. We dont need you.
Everytime an anti-Metallica comment pops up anywhere lately, I giggle to myself and think of the Iraqi Information Minister.
To sit here and say that Metallica is done, they lost their creativity and will never again make another killer album is the same as the Information Minister saying: “The Americans have been defeated and they are laying in shallow graves 100 miles from Baghdad.”
All this while American M1-A1 Abrams tanks are rolling through Baghdad in the background.
Hey, at least there is a future in politics for you losers!
I bought “Load” and “Reload” and liked them for what they were worth, which is essentially a simplified, slower, and slightly southernized version of Metallica.
I too am not asking for them to rehash former glory. But what I would like is for the band to recapture some of the feeling, the power, the drama, and the musical complexity which are the hallmarks of Metallica’s greatest records.
I don’t fault them for change alone, but change without improvement is a wasted effort. I believe they’re still on a train headed in another direction. This new album is going to have to convince me that it’s worthy of comparison (in terms of quality, not style) to anything in the Metallica back catalog. Short of that, I’m not interested in buying it.
And regarding Robert Trujillo: I think they could not have hired any bassist available with a better street cred. He’s a great addition. But if Jason couldn’t influence the band with his own “harder” leanings, I’m not sure how much more Rob will do. If he does, it will be because he’s injecting new blood into the band rather than from a “harder” approach. In a lot of ways I think Jason was never accepted as a “full member” of the band, so his musical ideas were basically ignored. Jason was more a backup player than a creative force within the band. Let’s hope that changes.
its great to hear that the big boyz are coming up with a new video.really im very eagerly awaiting uts arrival.till then bingo
WHY DONT YOU MAKE A BETTER ALBUM!
OK.. picture yourself in metallicas shoes. can you? can you begin to imagine what these guys have sacrificed and given up for the world?
All you nerdy ass metal fans on these forums and no better than the people who feed into ja-rule and 50-cent type shit.
Its nerdy shit, that shouldnt have an effect on your life.
And ALL metallica rules!
change the font is too fekkin small ffs
hey what did everyone think of the 1 minute and 50 seconds of frantic that they played at icon the other night?
Hi Well since Lars is Danish he had a Danish journalist over at heard 5-6 number of St. Anger
and guess what the guys are back with a even darker sound than ever before..
I guess this is a most for the old fans. I prefer the Black album though…
i’ve heard a little bit of the new album at metallica.com, and it’s metal again :) forget load and reload, okey they’re great albums but not metallica standard. but now tyhey are metal again. YES!!!!!!!!!!
CUMM on u guys, dont talk here bullshit, who hates metalica dont fucking write here, go and suck cock bitchs. Metallica the Best bad ever, its not that they haven’t made any album in 2-4 years, sometimes it good to take break.
ABout that SHIT that metallica BAN NApster, it wasnt good IDEA for US, but this is BUSSInes man, they make music to live, and to entertain us, and every fan that likes them.
Perhaps it hurts that METALLICA did that shit, but we have diff sharing programs and we still do the same shit stilling MUSIC.
AGain who dont like METALLICA get da fuck out of here. I can say again they;re the BEST.
Pain,
are you a true retard, or do you just not know how to type?
I have a fear of things that suck. Metallica brought on my fear, but have just joined the list.
the new album of metallica WHEEEEEEN!!!!!!
Metallica rulz man!!!!!!!!! MY all time favourite Band!!metallica kicks ass big time.Keep it up guys.You guys rule the world.best of luck for the future!!!!!!!Cliff n Jason you guys rock too!!!!!!!!!!!
metallica will never sound like in the ’80 and u know why? because cliff is ded,james and lars don’t give a shit anymore ,kirk’s solos are gone and now jason left.i love metallica,i’ve been a fan since “justice” but the old shit is gone.hope that St.Anger will make me fell good.
metallica will never sound like in the ’80 and u know why? because cliff is ded,james and lars don’t give a shit anymore ,kirk’s solos are gone and now jason left.i love metallica,i’ve been a fan since “justice” but the old shit is gone.hope that St.Anger will make me fell good.
Bands change. People change. If everything they did was the same, you people would still be bitching at one thing or another. Get over it and move on. Metallica is legendary and will ALWAYS BE LEGENDARY. THE END.
hey guys i heard in the next 2 weeks single for saint anger will be on sale…well its only a rumor from a friend atm.
Talk about bands that don’t evolve…..what about the Red Hot Chillipeppers?
there will be no singles before the release of st.anger
i hope they dont show the st anger singles too much on music channels and ruin them. i dont wont every punk pop sh;t fan to start wearing metallica hoodies and ruin the greatest band of all time!
Check this out…seems that Metallica may have seen the light…another Master of Puppets???
http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2003/20030512_metallica.html
yeah. you r right. no singles. DOh!
i cant wait for the new album, they wont stop teasing us and its really building up. A guy i know in metclub heard the whole thing at a pre release party. says there is ZERO solos.
is this a good or bad thing?
i guess i cant say till i hear the album for myself
>’Tallica this ‘Tallica that.
>First off, the Black album totally blew. Pure >pop, market fed crap.
I know that quote was posted a while ago but I had to comment on it. The Black album did not suck. It was not some Pop market fed crap–it was original. Especially “Nothing Else Matters,” which was never intended to be on that album–it was Hetfield’s personal writing that the other members got their hands on and liked enough to turn into a song.
Load and Reload didn’t suck. They were different, but they showed that Metallica has diversity.
If the new album is as good as Load and Reload I’ll be happy buying it.
I had to add my two cents–everyone else has.
When will people stop bitching about Metallica? What did you people want? For them to keep churning out the same 80s thrash or to move on? I have all there albums from day one and think they are all amazing! I’m a fan of noisy thrashy stuff so if the new album is heavy as hell then all the better but aslong as the songs are af the usual top quality and as long as this album, like all the others, has its own unique sound and feel (no two albums alike) then I’ll be a happy puppy!
The new Metallica is just a new trend for them to fail at. Christ…it isn’t great, the songwriting sucks, it isn’t all that heavy (not that I wanted it to be brutal in the first place. I’m always skeptical of bands who solely focus on aesthetics when they talk to the media. If I want br00tal, I’ll listen to Cryptopsy or Carcass.), and James still sounds awful.
all this is is a hype machine for idiots.
Why I which the Metallica of old times:
- Their old work is more complex, and great combination of hard rock and beauty, than any song of any of the albums since the black one.
- If St. Anger doesn’t have any guitar solos as some rumors I’m hearing, that is disgraceful, how many metal songs doesn’t have any guitar solos? Do Metallica deserves the word ‘metal’ in their band name at this moment?
- I hate every time the word ‘fuck’ comes out of the mouth of Jimmy. Every time he does that he ruins some of the songs. If the song is just one from the loads of from garbage inc. and that type of bad albums is OK, But why when he sings deep songs like One and Sanitarium (plus other ones) does he has to ruin the songs that way?
The only thing I which is that Metallica at least could make one more album that sounds like the pre- blak album era. But if the band is going to evolve which is totally OK (if the after-black album era is evolution, then my definition of evolution hs been dramatically shcnged)they should do it in the right direction, not backwards.
“Tallica rules all music!!! Just try to find another band or artest that has as many GREAT songs. Its not possibile! Later DIX
You thought Slayer, Anthrax, Slipknot, Sepultra make the heaviest bands ever??? You COMPLETELY WRONG…cuz the album St. Anger, according to metal journalists, is FIVE TIMES HEAVIER THAT THE HEAVIEST SLAYER SONG, PREVISIONS OF PAIN…On June 10th the world will face the revolution in Metal Timeline…
Watchout..
Been a fan since the beginning…they’ve grown weak over the last few years. They have musical talent, yes, but a lot of people don’t realize how far they have their tounges up the MPAA’s ass – and for what? They’ve gotten greedy, and since sales of load and reload weren’t up to par, hey why not blame napster on those two filler albums? Let’s not blame our own experimentation…oh no…lets not blame ourselves…it’s the fault of our FANS.
Unfortunately I bought load and reload and only liked one or two songs off of each album. Does that mean they’ll give me a refund on the other shitty songs I don’t want? No? Then I’ll download to take it for a test drive before I buy it. If I like more than half of the album, I’ll buy it…otherwise, it hits the trash bin.
I’m not a huge fan of Aerosmith, but in comparison they’ve changed slightly as time has moved forward. Keyword: SLIGHTLY. They didn’t wake up one day and just change shit all around and piss off their long-time fans. I liked “the black” album, but I could see what was starting with this album and was hoping that I was wrong. Unfortunately I was right because out came load and re-load. Only someone who just started listening to Metallica when Metallica/Metallica came out would actually think that there wasn’t much of a change when load and re-load came out. It’s not really your fault, you just don’t really know any better. Maybe that’s just the type of music you like and that’s fine. Either way, they have become corporate so I’m going to treat them like a business – I made two mistakes by buying load and reload and won’t buy their albums again unless *I* like it. I wouldn’t buy a service from someone who decided to change their service to not bother satisfying the customer. Yes, I will download this album and listen, and again, I will buy it IF I like over half the songs. That’s my personal rule. If Metallica doesn’t like it, perhaps they should stop the experimenting and get back to the performance level most people know they’re capable of. I don’t want to pay for their “experimentation”.
Good luck, guys. I hope for your sake that this album is as good as has been stated…because if the album doesn’t live up to the hype, your career’s are over.
New Metallica, old Metallica…. Bullshit.
Ive been listening to Metallica as far back as I remember. Screw evolution. I like the new shit as much as the old. Load and Reload are every bit as good as the pre black stuff… a little different, but just as good. And to those of you who think Metallica sold out, shame on you. You turned your back on them just because they matured a little and changed their style to suit themselves. That’s what rock and roll has always been about. Doing your shit, your way and if no one else likes it, Fuck them! So get over yourselves, listen to the music and enjoy it. They sure do.
Snave
A comment for Snave and all Metallica fans who are defending them:
Load and reload doesn’t come even close to the quality of rock of the ‘pre-black albums’. That is a fact!, and most Metallica fans since ‘Kill them All’ knows it!! One thing you are right Snave, Metallica is doing their thing as they want, and they doesn’t care what other people think, including most of their most loyals fans (the fans since they start playing). In other words, what Metallica is saying is: To hell with our most loyals fans since the 80s, WE DONT CARE ABOUT THEM!!!. Is that their attitude, we don’t care to criticize them as most as we want, they deserve it, and you know what?, we don’t care what Metallica thinks of what we say. If they like it , good, if they don’t, they can go to the same place they have sent most of their fans when they released their load and reload crap(and probably St. Anger will join this list, I hope not).
I strongly agree with the opinions of Matt and Colin posted on may 6, they really captured the feeling of probably most of the true Metallica fans.
Afternoon friends, a mate of mine heard St. Anger the other day at an advanced hearing party organised by MTV…and he wrote this review. I hope you all like it, he did a fine job i think!
kudos to you adam u rule dude \m/
matt
review commences here—-
After 5pm everyone started entering the room in single file as we were all scaned with a metal detector. No mobile phones or bags were allowed in either, due to the fact so no recording would be possible. Sian Thomas, the head of UK Mercury Records gave a small speech about how long she’s worked with the boys[she said 15 years] and other such things. A small video clip was played with tidbits from various times of recording St.Anger, few of them were on the Jump In The Studio Website. Things flashing across the screen like ’85 million albums sold’. Sian notified everyone after the movie that 2.1million of those sales were from australia and there was a big cheer from everyone!
Just a few other bits and pieces she told everyone, the first single is of course going to be the title track, St.Anger[which will be edited from 7 minutes to 5] – that will be released on the 23rd of June. The album is 77 minutes long and the DVD is 80 minutes long.
After all the talking, she announced the cd was about to be played so the talking cut to a minimum. Following is 6 of the songs i heard.
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* Song 1 – Frantic *
Everyone’s pretty common with the sound of this track now, the vocals in it were really clear. The ping from lars’ snare is gone…from the songs i heard. It does sound different to the mtv icon clip which has been circulated on the internet. Just has a cleaner sound, rough churning guitars and an overall angry feel to it. It’s a fast paced song with a bit of double bass kickage in it :)
* Song 2 – St.Anger *
When this started i nearly shit my pants. The intro is badass. The song has a variety of tempo changes, one thing i liked of it was going from rough fast bits quickly into tight mellow string sessions. Not many of the people in the room seemed interested in listening to the cd either. Alot of the talking pissed me off because i was trying to write down lyrics…so it was hard to hear them. The song has a fair bit of overlapping lyrics which gave it an insane feel. The guitars are fast and chunky. No real solo in this song, or any of the others i heard. It didn’t take away from the feel of the music though. Some of the lyrics i heard were “St.anger round my neck” and “I need to set my anger free”. The song has heavy double kick and bass lines. It was a fairly long song at about 7 and a half minutes. Can’t wait to hear it again.
* Song 3 – Dirty Window *
Out of the 6 tracks we got to listen to, this was my least favourite. I think it was the main riff in it that i didn’t like. Some of the lyrics heard in it were “Projector, rejector, dejector” which was repeated over and over again. “Objection of jury”, “I drink from the cup of denial”. With the mixing of the album being raw and tight, this song made me think of …And justice for all, with bass :). The lead out riff on it was nice aswell.
* Song 4 – Invisible Kid *
This was one hard angry song. I think the tuning of the guitars was open B, not too sure though[perhaps the Grynch was used on this? \m/]. This was my second favourite track heard. The main riff of the song was slipknot-ish…i thought. Some of the lyrics i got down are “Open your heart…”, “Please don’t stray too far”, “Open your eyes”, “Invisible kid”, I hide inside but i’ll show you all”. There was alot of hard fast double bass kickage in this track aswell. The guitar blended well with the lyrics and it had a nice raw feeling to it.
* Song 5 – My World *
When this song started i wanted to go and fuck the speaker. This was my favourite track from the six we all heard. Soon as it kicked in, I immediately thought of master of puppets. This was such a good song! Everything in it was perfect. Some of the lyrics i got down were, “It’s my world”, “It’s my world, you can’t have it”, “YEAH YEAHHHH[a very famous thing by our loved papa het]“, “It’s my time”, “look out fuckers, here i come!”, “I don’t even know what the question is![this is where that clip of james came from we all saw him yelling on Jump In The Studio]“. I loved this song and can’t wait for the album.
* Song 6 – Shoot Me Again *
This song contained alot of silent pauses where all instruments were muted only for you to be punched in the face again with their furious roar. The intro to this song is mean. Throughout the song there are a few melodic more quiet pieces between chunky fat guitar riffs. Some of the lyrics I got down were, “Shoot me again, I ain’t dead yet”, “All the shots I take”. This song reminded me of the cure, from load. Not guitar wise…Just james’ voice had that sort of gruffness to it just like some parts from the cure. Also mixed into this track were a few pickscrapes which sounded neat. The verses in the song are quite mellow and fit nice.
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The reason i didn’t get as many lyrics down as i thought was due to some of the people there talking about their weekends and what-not. It was sort of annoying but on the same note, nothing could’ve beaten being there. Other than getting to keep the album =p
After the six tracks were played through, Sian did a bit more talking and everyone seemed really pumped. A few people from MTV were there and they just showed that MTV advert which will air here in australia quite soon. A few other people got up and said their piece, saying thanks to the metallica.com(which was us i assume) people who came along. Sian spoke about trying to get the boys locked in and confirmed for a january/february tour spot in australia but it wasn’t 100%.
The DVD was spoken about and how 5 cameras were used to shoot them at HQ in rehersal, then they played frantic from the DVD. James had his gibson gothic with emg’s and gold/silver-ish scratch plate from MTV Icon. Kirk was using his sunburst custom les paul, lars was on his green double kick kit and rob was playing a black bass. His stance throughout the clip was awesome haha. He’s like some kind of ape or something. Looked neat.
it wasn’t organised by mtv ;)
was organised by universal music in sydney.
but thanks
bai.
~adamg~
hey people…check this out
http://home.attbi.com/~radeon9700pro/SAINT_ANGER.mp3
enjoy :)
I’m the biggest Metallica fan you will find anywhere and I think this album f-ing blows. It’s a cheap, half-hearted attempt to capture the old sound, before they were trying to be nirvana.
If you’re a sheep who will swallow anything with the Metallica name taped to it, then I’m sure you’ll like it. If you’re a Load/Reload kid, then I’m sure you’ll simply adjust your taste so you think it’s great. If you think the black album is Metallica’s best album (read: if you’re a brain donor), then you probably will like this dreck too. But if you are like me, and think ride/justice/puppets are great but the rest of their records have not been very good, this record is more of the same.
Basically it’s a big jerk off. It’s like they are imitating themselves from the glory days, but just being hard for the sake of hard. It doesn’t mean anything, doesn’t say anything, doesn’t feel like there is any feeling behind anything, except that they feel like selling some records.
I don’t know, maybe my opinion isn’t going to mean anything to all of you. Maybe I’m just pissed that Metallica used to be a great band, before they were trying to be Nirvana. Maybe I just wish for the good old days, when they weren’t so worried about [i]being Metallica[/i] and were more worried about making great music.
Seems like the only thing they are worried about nowadays is lining their pockets and not straining themselves. I wanted St. Anger to be a great record, I wanted it to be great and sound like the old days so badly, but it just doesn’t. It only drives home the point that Metallica is dead, they have been dead for 10 years and they aren’t coming back.
I heard the new track, St. Anger, the video of which, by the way, is on the metallica site….sigh…I was disappointed. Let me start by saying that I have only been a metallica fan since last summer (I know, I’m a heathen), but since then I have been as hardcore metallica as you can get. As a guitar player, I tend to respect complexity, but it wasn’t only complexity that led me to find my favorite albums of all time in the Holy Trinity of Ride the Lightning, …And Justice For All, and Master of Puppets. Each of those three albums is simply dripping with musical talent, emotion, and simple headbangingness. (and, for a bit of trivia, each of these three albums’ track 2 songs are the name of the album [as it seems will be with StAnger], and each has an instrumental as either the last or the second to last track).
As I began listening to St. Anger, I was mildly excited. The intro is fast, kind of thrashy, but it seemed to be holding back. It seemed really low, almost as if played on a seven-string (gack!), and seemed more like the intro to a System of a Down song, specifically Shimmy, for those who know it. As I listened further, the song went into a slower, softer feel…that was OK, although I was dissapointed that I wouldn’t be hearing any thrash singing. James’ singing during this part was melodic, and kind of creepy. But when the chorus started I just started to cry. That’s when it got bad. In come the boom-boom-crash slow, rhythmic bass drum/cymbals and, yes, RAP metal. I was devastated. There was Kirk Hammet, yelling into the mike “you flush it out, you flush it out” over James’ singing of “saint anger round my neck.” It was like it was straight out of a goddamn Linkin Park song. I was mortified. Once I got past the chorus, things got a little better, but it still felt like Metallica was another band that was imitating Metallica.
The whole thing mostly repeated from there. As the song neared the end, I realized a horrible fact: there was NO SOLO. My good god, if there is one thing in this world that I would say defines Metallica, its Kirk Hammet shredding the ol’ Minor Pentatonic. What happened? This song could have been made an order of magnitude better if they had simply stuck in a solo. I guess Kirk Hammet has been reduced to a backup rap singer who happens to play guitar. Hey, isn’t this also the case in another band?
St. Anger impression in one word: Disappointment. Why, Metallica, why? Why can’t you write another Creeping Death, another Leper Messiah? Why must the Metallica of yesteryear remain a cherished collection of old records? Has your voice gotten too deep, James? Have your fingers gotten tired, Kirk? Or have you guys just gotten too much MONEY?
Yes, I will probably buy St. Anger, if only to search it for gems of the old Metallica I know and love. Maybe St. Anger (the song) will not be representative of St. Anger (the album). And if I never hear Metallica doing Rap-metal again, it will be too soon.
hah. this goes out to mark. your such a f**kin idiot.. the first single from st anger so aint like anything they have done before. its like they took a left turn and i think its great. if u think this is just heavy for the sake of being heavy then u may as well dis dream theater being fast for the sake of being fast, or slayer being thrash for the sake of being thrash. these are some of the greatest genre defining bands in rock man!
i mean your a bit of a clueless nut arent u dude.
the only thing i would complain about is the raw production, but i think thats something in five years from now i learn to appreciate and im sure future guitar players will still be trying to hack it 20 years from now..
the way u should see it is that metallica have had enough money (and fame) to have never recorded a single note (or toured relentlessly) since black, but they choose to do it cuz they love the music and if u cant respect that then u are not a true tallica fan. i dont think anyone but yourself appreciated your non constructive criticism.
“u dont no cuz u r not a troo tellica fan!!!!!!11111″
I mean, seriously, is this AOL teen chat? I’ll listen to your opinion when you grow your first pube. Now log off the computer right now, TRL is on!
people who like metallica probably think sean penn is cool to. they have sucked for over ten years. get over it and try some inflames
funny very funny.
seriously tho, i love inflames and guardenian and all those obscure sweedish metal bands,… i know whats good and what is timeless music
i dont respect your opinion cuz that song rocks and your a fag.. i mean where else do u expect metallica to go too they have already conquered the world.
do u really want another mop or rtl ?
i mean seriously the boys wouldnt exactly be musicians if thats all they played. if u want speed why dont u listen to racer x.
PUNK
also if i was a 13 year old aol user i would speak like this…
MARK IS A W3ANEIR HA CAN SUK IT AL DAY LONG?!?!? OMG LOL
and i would STILL be smarter than u hahahhaha. sucker
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out.
First off, I’m going to talk a little out of my ass here for 2 good reasons, I work better with pure logic and also everyone else here seems to do the same.
So here’s what I think. My music collection can be broken into 3 categories as follows. Derivative, backwards progressive, and forwards progressive.
Group/step 1 (derivative) sounds good immediately and eventually grows old on you, even if it is masterfullys conceived. Memory of the derived music triggers as soon as you hear it. Turn on the radio to a pop station and you understand the general idea here. Any genre has its derivers, some are suberb (take Darkane for example). The general goal here is to amplify successful patterns in past works.
Group/step 2 (backwards progressive) is progressive music that merely adds elements of the past together to form a new element. Depending on how derivative this is, this style of progressive music can be extremely catchy, but it also carries the efforts of the particular artist as well, thus it is more likely to last much longer than straight derivative music.
Group/step 3 (forwards progressive) is the least accessible type of music. Well written music of this type usually comes off as either irritating (some elements conflict with developed idealogies of the listener) or just uninteresting. Repeated listens are required to form the framework necessary to connect to the music.
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OK. thats the breakdown. if your still with me then your probably wondering first why you should care and second my motive for placing such an assumption. The reason is to support my theory on metallica and their history.
In short I break Metallica into two bands. OldMetallica consists of the classic lineup with Burton. NewMetallica consists of the classic lineup minus Burton (RIP). Old Metallica will _NEVER_ exist again. Please honor the late Cliff Burton and do not think they will come back without him…
Back to my music style breakdown, I believe almost all successful musicians (someone other than the band members listens to the music) go through similiar evolutions. Derivative/cover -> backward prog -> forward prog.
Steps 1-2-3 above…
[if you believe my 3 step theory skip to the next set of dotted lines]
Most bands start out covering other bands so the first step just makes sense. I don’t think there is any question about this one. Making practical music without this step is like inventing electricity without knowledge of physics.
Now I’ll break several bands into the 3 step to show you how they fit.
1. Led Zepplin at first was heavily derivative of blues and jazz. The entire CD of Led Zepplin and parts of Led Zepplin II were hardily altered beyond the blues->rock formula that became a process to the band. After Led Zepplin III the band got the hang of the music and brilliant backwards progressive songs like Stairway to Heaven were written. In my opinion, the band never achieved fully independent work (don’t get mad at me here, im not really a zepplin fan and I really didn’t listen to anything after Physical Graffiti.
2. Opeth. Here’s a tough one. I’ve never heard opeth cover any other works than they’re own, and I’ve never heard anyone cover them. Either way, opeth has always focused on themselves. I think that Orchid didn’t quite feel right to the band. You can kind of tell. For this reason, I think this was on the derivitave side. Morningrise, My Arms Your hearse and Still Life fit much better. But if you get down to the nitty gritty, any person that has heard both death metal and 70s metal can easily pull the elements into their respective categories and little is left but clutter. It is not until Blackwater park that things come together just that little bit more. What matters on this album, Deliverance and Damnation is what is left if you take all the elements derived from other music away. This is the singularity that makes opeth so good. This is what takes listeners so long to get into. What I called clutter above was just the developing opeth as its own beast. To remark on my earlier theory, it is only reasonable to assume that in the course of their albums from orchid to damnation, Opeth has shifted from backward progressiveness to forward progressiveness.
3. Fill in almost any band here. They make a cd (or two) which wonderfully fits a genre and receiveds almost immediate praise. Bands like creed, korn, death, _metallica_,… the list goes on. It doesn’t matter because from the end-user perspective the first cd that lands the shelves is bound to be largely derivative. If your band is more than 10 years old and they are still around and kicking, and they are not AC/DC. Then they probably hit some sort of band identity crisis of some nature. This is the turning point that breaks musicians of type 2 to type 3. This is where the band forms its own opinions and messages (forward progression). Most bands never make it to this step and still land cds that make it to your local dealer.
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Back to metallica. My quick assumptive ability tells me that Kill ‘em All worked so well as a pure thrash cd because the band added (and subtracted!) very little from the thrash formula. Sure it was one of the first cds of its type, but the idea was pretty straight-forward, and plenty of other bay-area groups had the same goal in mind (exodus for one…). Don’t get me wrong here, Kill em all is WAY up there when it comes to thrash music. But By my logic it is almost entirely backwards in its progression. It takes the speed of old punk and the riffs of NWOBHM and fuses them in the best way possible.
Then comes Ride the Lightning. Something happened here. You can tell as soon as the first song fully develops. Think about it and it should make sense. Consider Kill Em All and all of its components (minus the bass solo by burton) and remove the punk speed aspect and the riff aspect gotten from all of the NWOBHM cds that ulrich brought to the band. What do you have left. Little if anything. Ride the lightning is different. Remove the blast beats and rhythm riffs and soloes and listen to the feel of the music. Remove the same elements that everyone knows warranted thrash metal and what you have left is pure metallica. In short RIDE through JUSTICE were Forward Progressive style music. How can you tell? Usually you can tell by how quickly the music appreciation takes to get to the professional critic. Kill Em All was an instant classic, but it took years for the next three albums to set in. Most critics still consider this work in one big clump and fail to recognize the evolution of the band.
Again I consider oldMetallica and newMetallica to be different animals and heres my final conclusion. If you listen to Load and Reload, the only assumption you can make is that Metallica somehow started the evolution process over!!!
Anyway I’m getting tired and this ranting is taking too long.
Here are my conclusions from the logic compiled above:
1. Load and Reload don’t suck, theyre just not metallica at their fullest. look at it like they are somewhere between pop music (derivative/step 1) and retro (backward progressive/step 2). But you probably already knew this.
2. Based on number 1 and the fact that Metallica is touring with LIMP BISKIT and LINKIN PARK, I HIGHLY hypothesize that ST. Anger is going to be a backwards progressive, or a culmination of styles between nu-metal and old metallica (probably nothing pre-black album because cliff can’t contribute much in his present condition RIP).
3. I’m going to break from my metallica rant and branch to other bands for a brief second here. If you like metallica’s 3 freaking awesome releases and you know what I’m referring two, take the time to realize that the 4 people pictured in the pamphlets are human beings, and realize that there are many more human beings with the same goal. Some Bands besides metallica that I believe have reached their peak and discovered themselves (withing metal of course) are DEATH, ICED EARTH, SEPULTURA, OPETH etc. All of these bands have been heavily influenced by metal and you can feel metal in their songs, even when they are in full swing. Metallica produced probably the only 80′s music and this list produced the only 90′s music that is timeless to me. Timeless in that they will stay with me until the day i die, even if that is 400 years from today after my 6th heart dies while traveling through hyperspace in my mostly cyborg body turned spacecraft.
Do yourself a favor and listen to these other bands’ songs, because the message they give is their own. In particular Death and Opeth have reached a sort of loft that rivals the metallica era (IMO). Trust me. These aren’t just bands that i’m all excited about because Kazaa let me download them without paying. The stuff I have been listening to recently is Living Sacrifice, Dark Tranquillity, The Haunted, American Head Charge, Arch Enemy, Ebony Tears, Dimmu Borgir, Thrice, Shadows Fall….
You may like it the four bands in caps above, or you might not. But if you do they wont just fade away like too many modern bands.
looking back i feel like the 3rd grader who brags about his long turd in the toilet to his friends but DAAAAAAMMNNN that was long!!
Good analysis, DarkumSirgotem.
It’s obvious what is going on here, people who have liked Metallica for a long time are bent up that they are moving backward now instead of forward. Johnny-come-latelys want them to either keep putting out shi…er, I mean stuff like Load/Reload, or turn into Limp Bizkit, which unfortunately seems to be where they are heading.
Very nicely put DarkumSirgotem…. and i think your right about how metallica are just trying to incorporate linkin park sounds into their music. But i dont think this was motivated by some deliberate marketing campain (i think i spelt that wrong but anwyay).
Being that i love nu-metal, death-metal, speed-metal, thrash-metal and i love Ratm rapping i guess im biased. But i really like what metallica have done here, obviously they have lost some fans on this record and also gained some. Even though i could listen to and justice… and all the pre newsted albums all day long, i dont think it would be either contemporary or logical to reproduce such albums again. It would be fake if they tried to do so because they don’t feel those same emotions that led them to create those amazing sounds back then. That i think would be selling out.
So i complement Metallica.
Regarding st. anger tho, i really wish the guitars could be louder!
(My appologises go out to Mark. I was acting like an ass, he deserved his opinion, Sorry :p )
I Love Metallica, every album, from Kill em All to Reload. Each one is a musical Gem.
If you don’t like metallica, then don’t buy the albums. You are more than welcome to listen to a whole CD store of music. If you don’t like something, get over it and move on. Some of you people need to get a life seriously, why go to metallica boards all over the web just to bitch about them.
Those who love metalliica are in for treat with St.Anger,
Mark and Allen are talking straight to the point, and I totally agree with their obvious conclusions of Metallica’s downfall. What a great band they were, is a shame what they have become.
Instead of complaining about Metallica lets enjoy whats left of a great ride? So often we see hard rock become mainstream in the publics eye. Metallica opened the flood gates for certain talent to come about. If your not happy with there current direction that’s great but, remember what Metallica has done for over 20 years. Everyone goes through changes. Personally I couldn’t listen to the last two albums all the way through like there previous albums. At least half the songs on both albums were good. Yeah a different beat but, the same thing over and over gets boring after awhile and stale in the publics eye. Metallica has proved all they need to prove. I believe this will go back to there roots and may not have the same lyric quality but, should have the crazy drum beats and killer riffs but will sound like metallica. Enjoy them because a band of this caliper doesn’t come along very often! It’s very true the glory days may be in the past but, lets enjoy what we got?
Ok, I’ve heard a lot of shit on this board about wether metallica sold out and which albums sucked etc etc. It’s like this, I myself, am a musician, and what does any good musician want? To have their story told, their opinion heard, and most importantly, to produce the music THEY WANT, not what everyone else wants. As time goes on, peoples tastes change, and so have Metallica’s, so what if their newer stuff has a different type of heavy to it. It may be slow, but it’s still heavy. I guess it helps that I like all sorts of music, one being Gothic, and there is definately that same dark heavy as there is in type o and life of agony, which I though Metallica mixed in very well with their music. To look at the evolving issue… sure, riding a horse is fun, but would you rather still be using horses to this day for all transportation?? Times must change, or they go stagnant like a puddle of water.
METALLICA SUCK.. They sold out long, long ago!! Anyone who buys this CD is giving the green light for Metallica to continue in their woefully Old Age!! GET A LIFE GUYS! If Ozzy can admit he’s too old to rock these guys should quit while they are far far behind…
The only time a band ever sells out, is when they start producing music that the masses want to hear, rather than what they want to play. And from what I’ve seen, the masses want the old metallica, so how could they possably have sold out? They just changed.
kaotbliss said: “To look at the evolving issue… sure, riding a horse is fun, but would you rather still be using horses to this day for all transportation?? Times must change, or they go stagnant like a puddle of water.”
I agree with what you are saying, but there is a problem in your analogy. Metallica doesn’t fall in this analogy. What Metallica really has done is stop using horses as transportation and began to walk instead as there new way of transportation. There is a big difference in evolving and going backwards!!!!
were have you been they have been pleasing the masses i repeat the suck now they have no more left. really who makes a part 2 to a song. cliff was the master behind it all. for the people who say do you want them to keep making the same music no i dont and they never did kill em, lighting, puppets and justice were all different. lets face it they are nothing but a average rock band not metal. iff some other band made load and reload no one would pay attention to them. they live off there name and what they did in the past. you sheep follow them like your all wasted. THEY SUCK AND BANG EACH OTHER
must say i used to love them. when you grow up with a band and there personality you think you know what there about. then bob rock came along and $$$$$$$$$$$$$. they dont care about music anymore they have nothing to be pissed at because there loaded thats why they went after napster. lets face it metal is based on anger at things in the world not give me fuel give fire lets go make a song about cars because we have nothing else to say. i would not mind them if they changed there name to oasia.
Man….
Lets just say that I am disappointed. I downloaded the new St Anger. and um well….it sucks.
The music itself, the riffs, the drum fills etc were ok. But the singing and the lyrics. WOW
What total crap.
I have listened to St Anger 3 times all the way through. And I can honestly say that I will probably never listen to it again. Its that bad..
Over the past year I hae been watching the Real Media posts that Metallica put on their website all the way through the recording process, and I have to say I was getting excited. Thinking that they were returning to their roots. But this is such a huge letdown.
I was not a fan of the black album, load or reload. But there were a few songs that you could see a spark of the old Metallica in them. Unfortunately all of that is now gone. Its kind of worse than selling out.
They “return to their roots” on this album, but they can’t find them. It sounds like unoriginal Ride The Lightning throwaway riffs.
This will be Metallica’s Swan Song as far as I can tell. The “Black Album” era people will think its too hard. And the “kill em all ” era people will think its just sad.
Metallica
1981-2003
R.I.P.
i downloaded the album to get a sneak preview of it. I am quite sad to say metallica have perhaps tried too hard to capture what once was. Maybe it was the exclusion of jason in the band during the recording process, but i still expected a bit more. A guitar solo or 2 would have been nice, and some continuity in the song structures too. Its like a bunch of heavy fucking riffs which rock by themselves, but when added together just form one giant lump of hard rock.
It reminded me of a skidrow album..subterrainian human i think it was called, back in the mid 90′s. Without the guitar solos of course.
i am and i always will be a tallica fan, i can only hope this album grows on me and the next album the boys find there “niche” with rob at the controls of the bass.
“THEY SUCK AND BANG EACH OTHER”
mike
i also wanna add that mike is a full tosser, cuz only tossers use profanity when they cant express themselves,
i mean man thats a pretty immature thing to say about a band that influenced generations ( yes thats right plural not singular ) of musicians.
out.
New Metallica – “Where’s the beat?”
…..what happened to these guys?
This album sucks butt.
It sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom. I think some of the songs would rock if the producer didn’t suck this time around.
Not impressed.
St. Wanker wrote:
Metallica
1981-2003
R.I.P.
It should be:
Metallica
1981-1991
R.I.P.
You guys act pretty harsh on the shit we do. Just don’t judge someone if you couldn’t better what they do.
Regards,
James
holy crap this should turn into a fucken metallica hate page.
you are all shit heads why bother listen to the album if you didnt like it the first itme around. just fucken give it up.
i bet if metallica came to your house tonight you would just be kissing their asses the whole time. think about that before you condemn them to hell you ungreatful hypocritical looserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs
i admit i didn’t like 90s metallica and i doubt i’m buying st.anger. but what’s with all the hate? i don’t get it.
kea influenced as many metalheads as paranoid in the early 70s and sad wings of destiny. why then would metallica then turn around and imitate their own imitators 20 years later? that’s not progressive.
they’re trying something new for them so naturally they’ll make mistakes. remember the first time you rode a bike? drove a car? had sex? i very seriously doubt you were a master of it the very first time. similary, james and lars are making this band more democratic. and they’re trying to find a way to rock with a level of maturity befitting of 40 year old men. this is new to them and they are going to make many mistakes along the way. jimi and kurt got around this by dying. the stones and ac/dc got around it by repeating themselves. metallica are trying to go the U2 route: change and update themselves. they may not be good at it at least they’re trying.
i think ‘old’ metallica fans are disappointed that tallica haven’t made a death metal, grindcore, or black metal album. but metallica were never a death metal, grindcore, or black metal band to begin with so to expect them to become one all of a sudden is pointless.
metallica sounded like KEA in 83 because that’s what was going on back then. they sound like SA now because that’s what is going on now. each time period has its own fashion and its own music and metallica records gauge what’s going on at the time it is created. they are products of their environment.
there are plenty of bands that do whatever type of past metal you care to listen to: power speed thrash black death grindcore sdm goregrind sludge experimental ambient industrial dhc nyhc/metal crossover prog whatever. if metallica is no longer for you then find someone that is. sometimes you don’t see eye to eye with people and you must go your separate ways. that’s life.
i admit metallica could do metal a great service by inviting the underground bands to tour with them but why? metal fans don’t pay to see those bands on their own so why would you go and see them if they toured with metallica, a band many of you swear up and down has turned to crap?
limp bizkit have 1 million fans. staind have 1 million fans. why don’t 1 million of you go out and buy the haunted’s record? or opeth’s? or zyklon’s? or entombed, meshuggah, in flames, voivod, lamb of god, stratovarius, devin townshend, voivod, corporation 187, deride, nile, marduk, or anyone else you care to name? your dollars tell the music business who you really support. that is how the suits measure popularity, by units sold. i’m not a believer in obscure metal bands. i was sad when sepultura, kyuss, and at the gates split up without going platinum. we need more popular bands who are full out metal. ppl if you really care about the future of metal go out and support the bands that give it to you raw and uncut.
as for the phrase ‘metallica sold out’ you are right. EVERY metallica album is in billboard’s multiplatinum range except for NLTL. and you should be glad for it because their ‘old’ records sell BETTER than their ‘new’ ones save for the black album so people like them for their thrash. frankly i wish more underground metal bands would ‘sell out’ (i define selling out as going platinum) they work hard enough and deserve the success.
finally, if you really hate new metallica and think you can do better, by all means buy a guitar and start your own band. it’s so easy to sit back and boo. you’ll see things differently if you start a band of your own.
Hello all Metallica haters & lovers. Notice how pretty much it is all the so called old school metallica fans who are bashing everything. I can piture it: OLD TOOTHLESS FAGS, WHO STILL LIVE IN THEIR TRAILOR PARK’S DRINKING A 40-OZ OLD MILWALKEE WRAPPED IN A PAPER BAG. Even Kirk bashed you guys by saying :” METALLICA WAS THIS SMALL BAND THAT THEY COULD FIT IN YOUR BACK POCKET, AND THEY GOT SO BIG YOU COULDNT FIT IN YOUR BACK POCKET ANYMORE”. That is by far the truest line I have heard thru out all of the B.S. for the past years. Everybody wants that next (FADE TO BLACK OR MASTER OF PUPPETS OR ONE) ETC,ETC….. Think of it like this in my opinion I love all the Metallica albums, but lets start at Kill Em All thru the Black album. Just about every song on all these albums is what we compare any new Metallica too. I be the first to say Those albums were just about perfection. For those who cant count, that is five straight albums of Kick your ass music. Be honest with yourself can you find anotyher band who you can say put that much music out in a time period that was that good? As for me I can go from Kill em All to St. Anger and love every second of it. I dont remember which looser said it but you can go back and read it somwhere. He said “when they lost Cliff they were done”. Cliff was brilliant but he didnt make Metallica. Even James has joked about it before you cant hear the bass all that much. Take away all the “I HAVE BEEN A METALLICA FAN FROM DAY ONE, “FAGS” and there woulndt be all these stupid message boards. Those of you that share my thoughts see you at the show(s).
By the way ST. ANGER & SOME KIND OF MONSTER & MY WORLD, are the best tracks off of St. Anger.
Metallica rules the world!
J.R.
Just heard the new song “St. Anger” on the radio.
When is Metallica going to put out something that kicks ass? Everything after …And Justice For All sucks preppie cock.
I’ve been a fan of MetaLLica all the way till the Re-Load album 100%, I heard the St-Anger album, & to be honest muscially Speaking…its SHIT!
Why? I’ll tell U why in Detail so then no one would think im Biased…
the Band is tryin so hard to coupe with the new generation of new Rock…how?…simple…:-
1)Lars adjusted his Snare, cutting out the old fahioned trademark Metallica Reverb, makin it a dry sound Snare similar to Korn, Limp Bizkit…erc (Dont blv me? check it out for urselves & lstn to both)
2)James changed his Distortion type on the Gutar, muffing it, creating a guitar sound similar to Korn,Limp…etc…U’ll fin that the mid & bass is up & treble down
3)Lstly the Bass is sharper & thin than the pervious metallica recording
Final Conclusion??, the production of the album sucks because they were tryin to immitate the new Generations of rock Production, therefore with their style of music cannot be the same since their recording Production setting is made specially for HardCore rock, not Hard Rock or Metal or watever they’re doin in this boring meaningless album.
In terms of Originality, its ZERO, why? not a single catchy vocal line, the only song that had something was maye Frantic, other than that the others were too damn boring, Crap & non original by all means.
Pitty though, I was so excited wen I bought the ALbum, but this band is so desperate to hit the charts, it would be good & admirable if they did it by their own way, but not by virtually tryin to be like other bands in terms of sound, this was cheap, desperate & really Low.
I dont understand why people selfcalled old metallica fan hate so much the black album…how can´t they appreciate songs like Sad But true, the unforgiven, my friend of mysery and nothing else matters…they´re great songs not equal to master or ride songs but they are definitively great, instead i Think that…”and justice” is bad except for One, dyers eve and harvester…the other songs are boring…ride and master are
master pieces of heavy music and black album is
a master piece of heavy combined with melodics…”Load” big sin was that the band made too much pop/punk/rock sounds…but they were not bad at all except fo Hero of the day, King nothing and some other…Reload is crap, almost no personality, nothing to remember..BORING!except MAYBE Unforgiven 2, but not too much…even the video was not like the first…(together with “one” the best videos in the history of music)
I hope this new album sound more like the black album and that woul be good for me…I think they can do it again…I dont think they will be able to do something like master or ride NEVER AGAIN..because they ´re not 20 anymore…they don´t have that rage and I don´t blame them for that…
I´m listening too St. Anger and somebody was right when said that they sound like Linkin Park!
I DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT THIS ALBUM IS ATTEMPTING TO SELL.
It seems obvious to me that they did several things like modernizing the guitar sounds, changing the whole writing style and production level, removing all guitar solos, and changing drumming sounds and styles. None of the songs sound like top 40 stuff. We all know that James, Lars, and Bob can write top 40 all day long, so what are they trying to do?
I truly think, they are searching for the raw, real, modern Metallica – with a middle finger firmly extended to whoever doesn’t like it. They’ve reached a point in their career that allows them to do what they want – they couldn’t possibly need money. I think they truly want to create somethng unique – I’m interested to hear the next album. I am impressed with St Anger as an effort, but I’m still building my opinion as far as how much I like it.
I think that no matter that they´re doing “good stuff” or “technically well performed music”…what people complain about is that they don´t play the music that make people adore them.
yes, they evolved but their music is just “good” nothing else…they can´t make people feel like they did in 80´s…
I don´t think that SOMEBODY in the world who just has listened to the post black album stuff could say that Metallica is the best band in the world…LOT OF people who listened to the other albums know that metallica for us was more than music, was a cult…now they´re just good musicians…but if I want to listen to well performed music I´d rather Mozart or Bethoven…
I realy tried to like the music they play now but it is impossible…makes me want to dance with some of them…and maybe that means that is not so bad..but that is not metal…the name should evolve to another thing but “Metallica” is not for them anymore.
Sad but true…
I think that no matter that they´re doing “good stuff” or “technically well performed music”…what people complain about is that they don´t play the music that make people adore them.
yes, they evolved but their music is just “good” nothing else…they can´t make people feel like they did in 80´s…
I don´t think that SOMEBODY in the world who just has listened to the post black album stuff could say that Metallica is the best band in the world…LOT OF people who listened to the other albums know that metallica for us was more than music, was a cult…now they´re just good musicians…but if I want to listen to well performed music I´d rather Mozart or Bethoven…
I realy tried to like the music they play now but it is impossible…makes me want to dance with some of them…and maybe that means that is not so bad..but that is not metal…the name should evolve to another thing but “Metallica” is not for them anymore.
Sad but true…
wow. im speechless, st. anger is the best thing metallica has done in 10 years!
its fucking amazing and i dont care what the rest of you say, metallica dont need me to convince you to tell u how cool they are.
they just fucking kick ass. fullstop. exclamation mark! end of statement.
if the rest of u cant listen to your heart instead of listening to each other and letting that decide your opinion album then u blow goats my friend. haha!
the album definately grows on you, so if after one or two listens u gave up. try again.
laters
Sounds like Kain is lumping St Anger in with Load and Reload – that just doesn’t fly. St Anger is unique and should be judged on its own – if it is to be judged fairly.
It doesn’t matter anyway – Metallican has been villainized because they didn’t let everyone steal their music. Oh, yeah – they’re also bad because they wanted to be successful.
Sounds like Kain is lumping St Anger in with Load and Reload – that just doesn’t fly. St Anger is unique and should be judged on its own – if it is to be judged fairly.
It doesn’t matter anyway – Metallica has been villainized because they didn’t let everyone steal their music. Oh, yeah – they’re also hated because they wanted to be successful.
ive been a metallica fan for years every time a new album came out i got it within the first week last week i heard st anger on the radio and said to the guys @ work does this sound like metallica to you???? and my coworkers said not really . i got the new album on the 6th and came home and listened to it HOLLY SHIT THIS REALLY SUCKS MOOSE COCK it sounds like they are playing pots and pans from my moms kitchen!!!! i really think james and jason should really GET OVER IT they arent little children any more step back and make the killer album they have been promising for years they need to get out of the mainstream and really find their roots…….. ps. still waiting for that killer album pss. RIP 1983-2003 can you rise from the dead?????????
I heard that old story of “THIS THE BEST ALBUM EVER”…when Load and Reload came out…It sounds like there are people paid for making that publicity or that some people just want to believe that (maybe because they doesn´t want to accept that the REAL Metallica music is dead or
because they doesn´t want to accept that they wasted their money)…How is it possible that people say that StAnger is so good and other that is so bad…I think is not so good neither bad…is just “ok…”…that didn´t happened with albums like Ride or Master…
st. anger is the shittiest album metallica has made yet,i heard it was supposed the be the greatest cd according to “kirk”. i think if they get rid of that shitty sounding snare drum and add some guitar solos the cd would be great.the songs are great but the sound sucks nuts.
I really liked the MAIN idea on St. Anger, but the album is REALLY REALLY a fucking annoysing stuff to hear. I think that Lars drums are with a big hole in it, Hets voice is too much how can i say, stereo?? and where are the solos? come on.. the QUALITY of St. Anger is dirty, Kill ´Em All is better man!! What the fuck.. Ive never been annoyed listening to Metallica, but they really did it with me..
hi everyone….. iv never really been into metallica that much there new song is amaxing, i luv it.i went to the download festival and it was great but i missed metallica when they made a guest apperence on the scuzz stage at about 2.30. the download festival was by first concert kinda thing and i crowd surfed during marilyn manson and when stone sour were on corey threw his bottle into the crowd and everyone jumped back tryin to catch it and iv damaged my nose because i was surrounded by fat men. i really hope i got on tv when i was crowd surfing so if anyone ever watches it on the tv look out for a brown haired girl in big black cords and a black top.
Metallica needs to take lessons from the group called Cathedral, there album ENDTYME best i heard yet of any hard rock band out to date.
yeah this new metalica song “saint anger” is the best..
i think the new album kicks major ass
i think the new album kicks major ass
i think this album kicks major ass!
I think they made a attempt to get rid of posers with the sound.Its not going to work now both sides are dissapointed now. Ive have not purchased anything metallica since 1992.There to commercial for me and i will not fund them ill go get inflames.
don’t think this album is good enuff. Master’s much better, and Justice’s nice, but this crap?! it’s not my beloved Metallica’s album, it’s piece of shit.
Bueno mi opinion en genenal de Metallica es que esuno de los mejores grupos en su categoria y han trascendido durante los ańos y espero que lo sigan haciendo igual por que realmente son un grupo que ha pasado a la historia de las musica …
hello Metallica fans and other thrash metal metal
band fans. just writing 2 say Metallica iz the best band ever, they r my faveret band. i hate ppl
who bag Metallica, those ppl shood die 4 bagen an awesen band like Metallica.
Metallica Rule!!
To be honest the song st anger sucks ass, unless your there infront of metallica as they perform it. That was the only time I enjoyed the song. The song is like watery oatmeal to me. You keep eating it and it seems there is still more. The album is a different story. I love all the songs on except dirty window and the oatmeal song. Although it lacks solos. It has some really heavy riffs which i dont see how people can say this shit was anything like any other band. It is something completley new. The only thing I can say it comes near to being a rip on is down, but that is way far away from what st anger is. I love the cd, I was dissapointed that “Myself” wasnt on the cd. It had a badass harvestor/wherever i may roam riff. Awesome lyrics as well, maybe it will be on the next cd. Mean while il enjoy the cd as i await the next and will see metallica everytime the come around. It really doesnt matter if you like metallica but if you see em live, you are seeing THE BEST PERFORMING ROCK BAND EVER!!! at 40 years old no less……..have fun people!
hey, erm i just found this site tonight when i put metallica into google and just reading some of the stuff that every one has put about metallica is shit. im 17 and ive been a huge fan since i was 12 and i love every single album theyve done! i mean, …and justice for alls the best in my eyes (ears, whatever) but i love load, reload and all the rest. how can anyone take the piss of those four guys when i bet no one else whos posted any messages on this board can say that they have achieved even a quarter of the success metallica have. without that band i wouldnt have got through sum things and i owe a lot to their music. now i no everyone has got their own tastes and i dont discriminate on that, even tho people give me shit about bein a heavy metal fan (BASTARDS) but i think they just deserve a little respect! plus i personally think st anger is ace! i dowt people even read this board anymore but what the hell!
rock on and peace out
hah
basically their creative brain cells re dead and whatever they do, whatever direction they take, it doesn’t matter coz they’re getting worse every time Their songs suck big time.
Sad but true.
uh….I have a plant..his name is bobby
He likes listening to people argue over stupid stuff while he listens to fade to black over and over again.
So Kill or be Killed, are you going to admit, a year later, that you’re an idiot for buying into the journalist’s hype, or do you still stupidly believe St. Anger is one of the heaviest albums of all time?
Actually, it’s more like lo-fi garage rock, and half of it sounds improvised throughout.
This is worse than the Loads. It’s not even relevant anymore. I sold my copy of it within days.
Metallica is dead.
Metallica don’t care what people think of their albumms…they do it for themselves.
St Anger is a great album and it doesn’t matter hwat you think about it.
It’s symbolic of their new beginning…all stripped down and basic and I think it’s great. They don’t need to do another album like Kill ‘em all or Master Of Puppets because they’ve already done it! St Anger is pure raw energy and it’s great
Sure, Metallica don’t care what people think of their albums, and do it for themselves, that is why they choose to release their albums to the mass public.
St. Anger is not a great album and my opinion does matter.
It’s symbolic of their new angle–old fans bitched about their toned down aggressiveness, so they worked just hard enough to play music that inspired cavemen to dance.
They don’t need to do another album like Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets, but they definitely don’t need to do albums like St. Anger. Merely being a new direction does not mean said direction is “good”.
Besides, Metallica already went the “stripped down and simple” route in 1991 on an album I don’t have to title for you since you, being rabid Metallicaite, know which one I’m referring to.
St. Anger is a “garage”-scented detuned rock album devoid of songwriting, good riffs, or composition, a solid mess. It sounds like a prolonged jam session that only churned out a few decent ideas.
The whole album screams “phony”.
what the hell is it with people saying metallica are dead and all that crap just because they went down a different track with St Anger? ok its not their best album but its still a damn good kick ass metallica album!! i saw them at download in june for the first time and without a drummer they still ‘kicked maximum ass’!! but hey, thats just my opinion!
Hello everyone! (if any of you Tallica haters still watching the board you should read this)
First of all: I like St. Anger! If you you can`t live with that then just stop reading this post.
Now on to my blabber:
You ppl just keep complaining about how metallica is dead and everything they did since black album was shit, when instead you should just stop and listen to yourselfs. If you don`t like it then just don`t listen to it. It`s that simple. And furthermore don`t be talking about shit you don`t know nothing about…does even one of you guys play guitar, or drums, or piano or anyother instrument as a real musician? I mean in the name of the art not for bucks? i don`t think you do! if you did that you wouldn`t be complaining about metallica. Music is what metallica is all about. If they didn`t have the cash they wouldn`t be able to produce the music (this is regarding to the sell out shit).
To me St. Anger is whole new genre of music and I Salute the boldness that metallica had to produce this album. If they were all about the money they would just keep the old shit coming over and over again. Just think about it and you`ll see it…if you don`t then just shut up and get a life. No metallica fan wants to hear you talking shit about their favourite band. Just create a Metallica Haters board and comment there as much as you like. If you don`t like it don`t buy it and don`t stress everyone on how bad you think it is.
Pickle, why don’t you class Metallica up there with Pink Floyyd, Led Zepp and Jimi. I’ll tell you why. Because they are still alive that’s why. Had Metallica broke up due to Cliff’s death I am 150% sure they would be considered legends. To me they are the greatest band of all time. The only band to survive the 80′s and 90′s not to mention the millenium. I would have been pissed off if they continued the same shit over and over. What to be like Megadeth? Look what happened to them. Even Mustaine still regrets not being part of Metallica.
Their music had to adapt to changes to time. They have changed their sounds and shown us what a true talented band can do. Anyone who is complaining then just stop criticizing them and find a new band to follow. If you don’t like it get the $%#@ out.
I only really had the patience to read the first 108 comments and i find it very interesting how so many people think Metallica “Sold out” and honestly, sell-outs or not they are still gods of metal. All alot of you seem to do is complain about how they have changed, if you are so afraid of change go listen to AC/DC. I’ll be one to say that i Enjoyed listening to the first 4 albums ALOT more then Load or Reload but i still considered them amazing albums, just not as favorable as some of this bands earlier material. and for all you “St. Anger haters” i am only 15 i started listening to them when i heard St. Anger on the radio without it i never would have bothered listening to any of their previous Thrash/Speed.
Basicly what im trying to say is, if you dont like what you hear… STOP LISTENING AND STOP COMPLAINING theirs plenty of other thrash metal bands out there for you to listen to as an alternative.
I think St. Anger is a very GOOd album! And even today it sells very good. You know that they have many platinum St. Angers. The best song in the album is “The Unnamed Feeling”… It is a kabooom song! Something goooooooooood!
Yes, you’re right St. Anders is a versy GOOD album! Although,’Kill em all’,'Ride the lightning’,'And Justice for all…’, and “the black”-Album are better albums (don’t you agree?)
Metallica don’t care what people think of their albumms…they do it for themselves.
St Anger is a great album and it doesn’t matter hwat you think about it
I love this phrase, you know what? they don’t care about their fans, they want money, dont you people see? open your damn eyes look at them, they are SELL OUTS. They woulda never made load and above if it wasn’t for the money, they knew their fans would be pissed and disowned em, cause they knew their music would be favourable to most populace, If you guys went to a killemall concert back in 84 youd be pissed right along with me. They where against posers, anyone who didnt play metal, and where for the fans not the money, load came out everything changed, THEY WHERE POSERS, they didn’t care what the fans though, they pissed on em, and took their money end of story
SAINT ANGER is shit, my band plays 5 times better than the material they released
Hey guys … i remember one song “the unnammed feelings” when they release the fake version on “Kazaa” ….. the song was mixed with other heavy metal band song …… anyone heared the “fake” song of the other band ??? or know them ???
coz i remember that it was a cool song … but i really don’t know the name of the band or the song mixed with the unnammed feelings
please FIREBALL … any idea ???????????
I bet these same idiots are saying the cheerfully overrated (yet admittedly not bad) Death Magnetic is the best album ever.
very nice blog!